Excellent Barron’s Roundtable / 1/15/24 Edition Barron’s Subtitle: “The Market’s Gains Won’t Come Easy From Here”
This is the first of two sessions. This year’s participants are: John W. Rogers Jr., Todd Ahlsten, Meryl Witmer, Rajiv Jain, Mario Gabelli, Scott Black, David Giroux, Sonal Desai, William Priest, Henry Ellenbogen, Abby Joseph Cohen.
It’s an insightful free-wheeling discussion. Short on specific buy recommendations but an exhaustive look at how investing is likely to be affected by domestic / geopolitics (in the broadest sense) along with the economic backdrop. Most foresee a flat to down year for U.S. equities. David Giroux expects a range of +5% / -5% this year - but looking out 5 years sees annual returns in the 6.5% area. He wasn’t too explicit, but seemed to be referencing his own fund (PRWCX) which he termed a “balanced” fund.
Giroux’s list of “likes” is long (excerpt): ”We see good value in managed care, life-sciences tools, utility stocks, and waste. We still see good value in companies like Microsoft, Intuit, and Salesforce, which has a low valuation … we are seeing good value in energy now as some supply-and-demand dynamics have changed.” And he’s still likes “high quality high yield bonds” (The latter struck me as a bit of an oxymoron.)
Graham Holdings (GHC) was recommended strongly by Witmer. Others joined in and much time was devoted to its numerous components including broadcasting, education and health care. It hurt a bit because I recently unloaded this one after what I thought was a nice run-up. Knowing when to sell a stock is a skill that escapes me. Deere (DE) is another stock that received favorable comment.
Participants noted that the economists / market prognosticators were nearly 100% wrong a year ago when recession was widely seen as “baked in the cake” and the market appeared headed for another bad year. Someone quipped that every year one of them says “It’s a stock picker’s market.” (When isn’t it?) Much was said of the approaching U.S. election and mostly with foreboding. One of the “optimists” (Witmer) predicted the U.S. will somehow “muddle through” without significant damage. Some think the markets will rebound late in the year after the election. The eternal optimism of Buffett and Templeton were noted in this regard. But the general feeling was far from optimistic. Most (if not all) find big cap valuations too rich, while small cap value is greatly undervalued. “De-globalization” is seen by some as a headwind, reducing efficiencies and adding costs for consumers. Franklin’s Sonal Desai says the “real interest rate” (inflation +) is in the 4-5% range - much above what the market currently assumes - implying rates will rise by year’s end.
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WealthTrack Show Jan 13th Episode:
In this interview, Sebastien Page shares his insights on how this new regime differs from previous periods and how it requires us to rethink traditional approaches to asset allocation. Join us as we explore the strategies and considerations for building and protecting your wealth in this changing financial landscape.
"Diversification may not be a free lunch, but maybe more like a 'tasty' lunch."
AAII Sentiment Survey, 12/20/23 Interesting guys.
I’ve felt rightly or wrongly that Dow 37,000 (reached 2 years ago) is a decent marker of sentiment and valuation. That’s about where it still is today (I’m guessing that’s about neutral today). So, FWIW, I’m pretty much stuck in neutral - where I’ve been all year long. I recognize the Dow doesn’t represent the greater market or have any special significance. But over the years it’s been a half-decent guide for me (of euphoria vs bust). At least as good as 75% of the market prognosticators.
Did unload BINC a few days ago and move into an IG short term (1-3 years) bond ETF. Not a market call. I expect the former will continue to perform well. Just trying to reduce overall risk profile as a decent year ends and with potential distributions in mind. It seemed as good a place as any to take a little risk off the table. (Equity exposure fell slightly from 48% down to 46% as a consequence of the move.)
I’m structured into 10 equally weighted static segments (all but one represented by a single holding), so selling / replacing any one position is a pretty significant move, Also limits my ability to add or reduce risk incrementally. So far so good. But it’s a relatively new methodology for me.
There are so many cross-currents regarding the financial landscape now it’s hard for me to form an opinion on the future course of the economy or stock valuations. Wars, Sino-tensions, disfunction in DC, consumer attitudes re prices, and the approaching elections. All of this has to weigh heavily on investor sentiment.
Wealthtrack - Weekly Investment Show Giroux = contrarian as ever. Back to seeing yoots as an interesting moneymaker these days, again. He describes how the fundamental landscape has changed over the course of several years for the yoots.
(" What is a yoot?" ---- Fred Gwynn.)
Brokered CD at Schwab six days late paying semi annual interest payment Another excerpted comment from the thread I previously referenced, this one straight to the point(s) by the venerable "dickoncapecod":
Well, you shouldn't be surprised that the financial relationship is between you and the bank that YOU deposited money at. If it is FDIC insured (or even not) institution, you'll surely receive what you are due eventually. However, the smaller the bank and higher the rate, the more likely the bank has antiquated systems and annoyances like this occur. Sometimes it's worth actually computing the dollars and cents gained by chasing "opportunities" in the risk-free rate world versus a good old (floating rate) money market funds.
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I responded to Dick's post:
To dick's very worthy point about "chasing 'opportunities'":
Per Fido (bold added):
Fidelity offers a wide range of issues, rates, and maturities to help you find the certificate of deposit (CD) that fits your needs. If a fixed income security is sold or redeemed before maturity, it may be subject to substantial gains or losses. Your ability to sell a CD on the secondary market is subject to market conditions. Fidelity doesn’t decide the creditworthiness of the issuing institution.
Read: If the bank defaults on the interest or principal, it's the account holder's ultimate responsibility to do the FDIC filing.
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Dick's first comment should answer the question being kicked around here.
If it's me in the OP's position, I would ask Schwab if they have a policy like Fido does related to issuing a brokerage "service request" at the 10-day mark if the interest still has not been received.
I would also obtain the best phone number possible and speak directly to a person at the bank who is directly involved/has direct knowledge of the interest payment in question.
I would NOT blow this out of proportion and would NOT start to doubt CDs.
As Dick noted, you WILL get your principal repaid timely.
As my scenario played out, I learned that this is a possible issue at the BOY and the EOY, every year.
And if there is an issue, it is usually the normal, possibly slow payment cycling related to the BOY or EOY, or there is a specific reason why the interest payment was missed.
In my case, the bank manager I spoke directly to was very helpful, NOT aware of the issue yet and thanked me for calling it to the bank's attention. She also immediately remedied the issue. She even gave me her direct phone number in the event it was not resolved.