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  • High-Yield Bonds Look Attractive
    I'm always looking for yield, but I'm at my limit with respect to risk tolerance, where I'm at right now. I've held PREMX since 2010, and was late for the 2009 run-up. In the 5 years that have followed, it's paid me handsomely while I reinvest everything. Yes, that is EM, not HY. I read the article which included the reference to TRP HY fund and like the rest of you--- I did see--- divorced from the reference, further down, that the fund is closed. A global substitute was offered. Noted already, above, in this thread.
    In my portf, PRSNX is 11.46% of total. PREMX = 14.43%. DLFNX = 2.7%...... Then, there are also bonds being held in my PRWCX and MAPOX. Just threw some money at MAPOX. (IRA.) I'll be throwing more money at MAPOX, soon, again.
  • High-Yield Bonds Look Attractive
    Andy - point taken.
    Heezsafe, HYG was up today (10/5) +1.20%. By Gundlach's own admission, he is now looking at buying junk... Correct?
  • A Tortoise Wins the Stock-Fund Race (POLRX)
    Except for the recent tear, not seeing what this offers over say RPG and/or FDGRX the last 5y. Lower risk, it says. Recent outperformance, well, nothing like it, is there?
  • Grandeur Peak Global Micro Cap Fund subscription offering info
    Rereading (carefully) the August 31, 2015, prospectus for GPROX (which I own). Under "Principal Investment Strategies": the fund may invest up to 90% of its total assets (under normal market conditions) in micro cap companies, those with market caps below $1 billion. (My bold.)
    The fund may also invest up to 50% (under normal market conditions) of AUM in emerging and frontier markets.
    I'll have to spend a few days figuring out whether it is worth it for me, a small retail investor who is not a trader, to also hold GPMCX.
  • "Revised" Prospectus... really??
    Maybe just do it like Congress. For example:
    "TITLE I—Reauthorization of FEMA and Modernization of Integrated Public Alert and Warning System
    SEC. 101. Reauthorization of Federal Emergency Management Agency.
    Section 699 of Public Law 109–295 (6 U.S.C. 811) is amended—
    (1) by striking “administration and operations” each place it appears and inserting “management and administration”;
    (2) in paragraph (2) by striking “and”;
    (3) in paragraph (3) by striking the period at the end and inserting “; and”; and
    (4) by adding at the end the following:
    “(4) for fiscal year 2014, $972,145,000;
    “(5) for fiscal year 2015, $972,145,000; and
    “(6) for fiscal year 2016, $972,145,000.”.
    ...."
  • High-Yield Bonds Look Attractive
    Qtr4 of 2008 was not a season of gumdrops and lollipops for junk bond funds as well. That's two of the last seven (28.6%). I suppose things may yet turn around in Qtr4 2015, but as Gundlach remarked in the Reuters phone chat I posted this a.m.:
    "I'll think about buying [junk bonds] when it stops going down every single day."
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  • A Tortoise Wins the Stock-Fund Race (POLRX)
    Here is a little more info about Polen Capital:
    "This is a sign not of laziness but of fussiness among Polen's seven-person investment team, which manages $5.9 billion for institutions, independent advisers and high-net-worth investors, a rapid rise from less than $300 million in 2008. The Boca Raton, Florida-based firm runs separately managed accounts (SMAs) as well as U.S.- and European-registered mutual funds. Nearly all of Polen's assets are in its Focus Growth strategy, which invests in U.S. stocks; it launched a global fund this year."
    From: Polen Capital Article Link
  • New Fund Rules: What You Need To Know
    Funds | Mon Oct 5, 2015 10:13am EDT
    By Lawrence Hurley
    Oct 5 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday left intact an appeals court decision that allowed a financial adviser to sue Charles Schwab Corp over allegations that the brokerage firm deviated from objectives set for a mutual fund, costing investors millions of dollars in losses.
    The court rejected Schwab's appeal of a March ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that revived the lawsuit.
    The..court said Northstar Financial Advisors Inc could sue on behalf of its clients and that Charles Schwab should face claims of breach of contract over the alleged losses in the Schwab Total Bond Index fund.....plaintiffs said that by investing more than 25 percent of assets in non-agency mortgage securities and collateralized mortgage obligations, Schwab portfolio managers ignored the fund's fundamental investment objectives of tracking the Lehman Brothers U.S. Aggregate Bond Index and avoiding big industry bets.
    They said this caused the fund to lag its benchmark from Sept. 1, 2007, to Feb. 27, 2009, losing 4.80 percent while the index posted a positive total return of 7.85 percent.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/05/usa-court-schwab-idUSL1N12512920151005
  • Luz Padilla /Doubleline E M Bonds Webcast Tue10/06
    Emerging Markets Webcast
    It is scheduled for: Tue, Oct 6, 2015 1:15 PM PDT
    "Emerging Markets Outlook:
    A Cautious Road Ahead"
    Please join us for a live webcast titled "Emerging Markets Outlook: A Cautious Road Ahead" hosted by:
    Luz Padilla
    Luz Padilla, Director of Emerging Markets Fixed Income, will provide an update on emerging markets in additon to discussing the strategy, sector allocations and outlook for the DoubleLine Emerging Markets Fixed Income Fund (DBLEX / DLENX) for 2015.
    Register
    http://go.pardot.com/e/103892/starthere-jsp-ei-1051157/fg9n/1335787
    http://performance.morningstar.com/fund/performance-return.action?t=DLENX&region=usa&culture=en_US
  • the variable impact of SEC's proposed Liquidity Management Program
    Bloomberg has a decent article on the reasoning behind the SEC's liquidity management proposal.
    When you sell your fund shares, you're supposed to get the day-end NAV and the fund's supposed to cut you a check within a week. In recent years, funds have seen the challenge of earning something as greater than the challenge of remaining fully liquid. As a result, more funds have moved into investments that might turn into roach motels: each to get into, impossible to get out of. Those include below investment grade debt, private placements, some derivatives and illiquid investments in general. That's compounded by the move to passive products that maintain near-zero cash levels.
    The SEC research found that liquid alts funds face a greater prospect of a liquidity crunch than most, since their investors have a greater tendency to sell en masse. (Data's in the article.)
    The SEC proposes requiring that each fund analyze its portfolio, determine the potential magnitude of quick outflows in a crisis and maintain enough "cash or cash-like investments that can be sold within three days" to be able to handle redemption demands without exacerbating a crisis by trying to sell illiquid positions into a market where everyone else is already trying to do the same.
    The Investment Company Institute scoffs at the very idea of a challenge to the easy grandeur of the industry they're paid to represent.
    Two interesting implications: (1) liquid alt funds might have to become dramatically more liquid but also (2) ETFs might no longer be able to remain fully invested. One additional implication: an ETF and an index fund mimicking the same index might not be permitted to carry the same cash level if the redemption patterns in the ETF don't mirror the redemption patterns in the fund.
    Worth pondering, perhaps.
    David
  • New Fund Rules: What You Need To Know
    'Specially like this wording:
    Funds would also be prohibited from acquiring any asset that couldn’t be sold within seven calendar days if it would mean that such assets would account for more than 15% of their net assets.
    Funds would be required to invest a minimum percentage of their net assets in positions that could be converted to cash in three business days.

    Hey........good luck with the above in bold.
    Have the investment companies abide with some simple rules as noted in the article. The SEC will legally note to them that a violation or failure of the organization to be "liquid" will result in the "nationalization" of the firm, all employees are terminated and all account assets will be automatically converted to 10 year Treasury issues with notification to all account holders; who may them rotate their funds into another investment company on the "chosen one's" list.
    Management, please sign on the line following the X _______________________
    None of the above is not unlike the special actions taken during the 2008 melt. Many FDIC institutions have since been terminated and the accounts move to bank "X".
    The "gov" can guarantee the whole thing. Tis in the best interest of the country in general.
  • Morningstar channels their inner Bernanke
    Daisy Maxey, writing for the online version of the WSJ, announced "Mutual fund's overhaul hits investors with a big tax bill." It's the same "F P A Perennial becomes F P A U.S. Value" story that we warned people about in June. Remember "F.P.A. Perennial: Time to Go"? Remember: "If you are a current Perennial shareholder, you should leave now"?
    Highlights of the story:
    Morningstar channeled Bernanke. Ben was adamant that there were no clear signs of trouble brewing in the years leading up to the 2007 implosion. Dan Culloton of Morningstar seemed equally surprised by Perennial's $39/share payout: “It’s certainly a big, shocking distribution. It exceeded my expectations."
    Why? In the parallel case of F P A's conversion of Paramount from small growth to large value, virtually the entire portfolio was liquidated within a few months. Morningstar's own data back in June suggested a $36/share payout. The only reason you'd be surprised is if you weren't paying attention. How could Morningstar not ... oh, right. The fund only has $280 million in AUM!
    Wall Street Journal practiced "safe" journalism. Two tenets of that strategy. Talk to Morningstar. Avoid hard questions.
    "F P A declined comment". Yep. You could sort of feel the temperature drop after we complained about raising the management fee at Paramount when it was converted from a clone to Perennial to a global absolute value large cap. Since that change, perhaps coincidentally, assets are down nearly 50% and the fund is underwater.
    (sigh)
    David
  • New Fund Rules: What You Need To Know
    Doesn't fire-proofing funds reduce the potential return? Can I still invest in a very risky fund if I want to - knowing that increased risk often leads to increased return over longer periods? Do you really want your emerging markets bond fund or small cap equity fund to be as safe and secure as bank deposits (now yielding less than 1%)? Something in me doesn't like all these new rules.
    However, if investors refuse to read the prospectus and excercise common sense in their fund purchases - perhaps this is the only alternative. I'd like instead some type of uniform "risk" label applied to all funds sold to the public. 4 or 5 different risk levels should be adequate. This would also give fund companies an incentive to structure their funds so as to qualify for a lower risk rating. Novice investors, those near retirement, etc. would know in advance which funds represented the higher risk of principal loss over the near term and would be cautioned to avoid these.
    Many companies do exactly that. T Rowe Price does an excellent job displaying risk using bar graphs and than elaborates on that risk in their fund commentary. Even here, however, I suspect many ignore those classifications and invest more aggressively than prudent for their circumstances.
    AAA
  • DBLTX Vs. DLFNX
    I own DLFNX since Sept, 2012. $50 BILLION AUM in DBLTX. That fund oughta be closed. With so much in there, he's driving the market, not investing in it. $50B is nuts. This thread caused me to look once again at the portfolio. DLFNX is 47% in AAA-rated stuff. If I was aiming for a not very risky solid, reliable, tame fund, I guess I found it.
    Signed,
    ----The MFO resident Rank Amateur.
    I noticed the quality numbers, too. Still, if 47% is AAA rated, then why is the average quality only BB for the fund? He must own some real junk in there.
  • High-Yield Bonds Look Attractive
    A section from blog of Steve Blumenthal, CEO of CGM Capital Management Group, Oct 2
    On My Radar: Defaults Will Breach the Historical High Next Year – The Fed is the “Wild Card”
    http://www.cmgwealth.com/ri/on-my-radar-defaults-will-breach-the-historical-high-next-year-the-fed-is-the-wild-card/
    High Yield – Rising Defaults
    Edward Altman, the New York University professor who developed the Z-Score method for predicting bankruptcies, says “defaults will breach the historical high next year and the Fed is the “wild card” that has the power to determine how quickly the current credit cycle ends.” (Bloomberg)
    “We have blamed the wider Junk Bond spreads on Energy issuers, but last week there was a buyer’s strike. If this continues, you can say goodbye to easy financing for M&A which will remove one large pillar of support from stock prices”. (361 Capital)
    * Altice on Friday sold $4.8 billion of junk bonds to fund its $10 billion purchase of Cablevision Systems Corp., according to S&P Capital IQ LCD. When the deal was shopped earlier this month, Altice expected to sell $6.3 billion of debt, investors said. A 10-year bond was priced to yield 10.875%, compared with yields as low as 9.75% that were suggested by bankers initially, according to S&P Capital IQ.
    * Olin on Friday sold $1.2 billion of bonds to pay for its pending acquisition of Dow Chemical Co.’s chlorine-products unit. Earlier in the month, Olin was expected to sell $1.5 billion of bonds, fund managers and analysts said. The annual interest rate on Olin’s 10-year bonds sold Friday was 10%, up from 7% expected earlier in the month, according to S&P Capital IQ.
    * Companies have announced $3.2 trillion of M&A this year, according to Dealogic, emboldened to merge by cheap debt and the long stock rally that began after the financial crisis. That puts 2015 on pace to rival 2007 as the biggest year ever for takeovers. Issuance of junk bonds backing M&A deals hit a year-to-date record of $77 billion through Friday, according to data from Dealogic.

    * A souring of investors on junk bonds could limit the availability of financing for deals that require a lot of borrowing. Banks have been under pressure from federal regulators to reduce their loans to such companies, and a pinch in the bond market could leave those deals struggling for financing. (WSJ)
    * After investors snapped up more than $37.5 billion of bonds issued by junk-rated energy companies in the first six months of 2015, just $5.9 billion has been raised since then, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. (Bloomberg)
    * Junk-bond investors are bracing for a surge in corporate defaults that would exceed the most pessimistic forecast from credit raters as the Federal Reserve contemplates its first interest-rate increase since 2006.
    * A measure of distress in the market is suggesting investors have priced in a default rate of 4.8 percent during the next 12 months, according to Martin Fridson, a money manager at Lehmann Livian Fridson Advisors LLC. That’s almost two percentage points higher than the pace being projected for June next year by Standard & Poor’s, the world’s biggest credit rater, as concern mounts that energy companies that loaded up on cheap debt are going to struggle to refinance. “Unless there is a miraculous turnaround in oil prices there is likely to be a lot of defaults,” Fridson said. “The rating agencies’ approach isn’t capturing the fact that a large part of the economy is far out of step with the overall picture of the mark” (Bloomberg)
    * On HY fair valuation from Martin Fridson this week: Now that the sector has sold off sharply, it’s finally at fair value, finds Fridson, chief investment officer at Lehmann Livian Fridson Advisors. He uses a model that includes current economic and market conditions to judge valuations. (Barrons)
    * Note that fair value can move to significantly undervalued as happened in 1991, 2002 and 2008. Recessions are a bear (no pun intended).
    * The S&P U.S. High-Yield Corporate Bond Index posted a yield to maturity of 7.51% on Tuesday, up from a recent low of 6.21% in late February. Morningstar data shows that the iShares iBoxx $ High Yield Corporate Bond ETF (HYG) has lost 3.6% in the past six months.

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    Remain tactical with your HY exposure. We are seeing liquidity issues in the market. [...] Corrections create the next great opportunity. As prices decline, yields move higher. Defaults are only a bad thing if you sit on the bus as it falls over the ledge. It will be higher defaults and declining prices and higher yields that will bring us returns like those achieved after the prior crisis.
    @AndyJ @Edmond
    Well, I hope you two get your signals straight this year about who is going to send the memo re. positive "Oct-Dec seasonality." Last year, Q4, Mr. Junk Bond Market didn't get it. :)
  • New Fund Rules: What You Need To Know
    FYI: Investors and fund companies should brace themselves for a blizzard of new mutual-fund rules.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-new-mutual-fund-rules-what-you-need-to-know-1444010541
  • A Tortoise Wins the Stock-Fund Race (POLRX)
    FYI: The tremendous volatility in the third quarter—the worst three-month period that stocks have experienced since the same period in 2011—was bad news for many previously highflying mutual funds.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-tortoise-wins-the-stock-fund-race-1444012054
    M* Snapshot POLRX: http://www.morningstar.com/funds/XNAS/POLRX/quote.html
  • DBLTX Vs. DLFNX
    I own DLFNX since Sept, 2012. $50 BILLION AUM in DBLTX. That fund oughta be closed. With so much in there, he's driving the market, not investing in it. $50B is nuts. This thread caused me to look once again at the portfolio. DLFNX is 47% in AAA-rated stuff. If I was aiming for a not very risky solid, reliable, tame fund, I guess I found it.
    Signed,
    ----The MFO resident Rank Amateur.
  • Meaning of US 10 year at 1.98%
    "I actually don’t know of anything other than U3 [the official unemployment rate] that would make you want to tighten. All the price indicators (including wages) scream weakness, as do all the other labor market indicators. If we didn’t have the unemployment number, nobody would see a reason to hike.”-Paul Krugman, Econ professor, Graduate Center of the City University of New York, op-ed columnist for The New York Times, Nobelist.
    Wow! I'm worried that I agree with this guy. Then again he had a 50/50 chance of being correct.