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  • wintergreen
    Hi Old Joe,
    Thanks for your atta-boy.
    Although I'm a long time fan of Micchael Price and his crystal clear disclosures of his investing approach, I totally agree with your observation that it is a near impossibility to execute for most investors (perhaps Scott excepted). It is way beyond my capabilities.
    The work load can not be done without a large staff since Price recommends holding 30 to 50 positions. That translates to collecting detailed info on perhaps 100 plus possible investments. No way!
    That's likely why we all decided to do the mutual fund route. It simplifies. And as I get older, simplification is a mandatory goal.
    I hope you're in good health and your portfolio matches that good health.
    Best Wishes.
  • Seafarer at three
    Hi, Mona.
    There's not much overlap between the two funds, so it's hard to call one a substitute for the other. MAPIX is about 50/50, emerging and developed with a 25% stake in Japan, 70% large to mega cap. Seafarer is about 70/30 with the 30 beginning developed Asian markets but not Japan, 35% large to mega cap. And of course Seafarer is 60% Asia to MAPIX at 100%. So Seafarer has a smaller market cap, no Japan but a substantial chunk in Europe (15%) and Latin America (15%).
    Too, Seafarer is $130 million against $5 billion for the two Matthews' funds.
    That said, all are very risk conscious, well-managed and substantially driven by the fate of emerging Asia.
    Sorry for the wimpy response.
    David
  • Berkshire Eliminates Exxon Stake Amid Plunge In Oil Prices
    Was surprised to read this...he just bought the stock at about $95 I believe.
    Maybe he is taking lessons finally from Flack and Junkster!
  • FAIRX....maybe we should ignore the crowd
    Another strong day today.
    Believe the NY Times article referenced below has helped...
    Dear Shareholder,
    The following article by Gretchen Morgenson was published in The New York Times earlier today and covers recent developments in the litigation regarding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac:
    "After the Housing Crisis, a Cash Flood and Silence"
    Kind regards,
    Investor Relations
    Fairholme Funds, Inc.
    4400 Biscayne Blvd.
    9th Floor
    Miami, FL 33137
  • wintergreen
    Previous discussion on board...not very supportive of fund:
    http://www.mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/comment/49951/#Comment_49951
    @MJG.
    ...value-oriented investment process advocated by Winters has proven its worth over many decades
    WGRNX high fees add a significant headwind, seems like, to capturing that value premium.
  • Seafarer at three
    Great Owl for sure!
    Here are numbers through January. Slams the category.
    The risk numbers are much better too, even though our current methodology pegs it at 5. In our update next month, that will likely go to 4. In this bull market, everything "looks" risky when compared to SP500. If I get the update incorporated sooner, will post.
    But the basic metrics speak for themselves.
    Seems to me Mr. Foster and crew have delivered as promised. Fortunately, we own one of first accounts...a rare enlightened moment =).
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  • Seafarer at three
    Today's was Seafarer Overseas Growth & Income (SFGIX) fund's third anniversary; it launched February 15, 2012. Steady asset growth despite a tough stretch for the emerging markets. Annual returns since inception are, per Morningstar, 8%. The category average for the same period is 1%. The big gains came in the first year but he's steadily outperformed since then, too.
    I'm not sure why the fund won't debut as a Five Star, Great Owl but I've been surprised before.
    With luck, Andrew will join us for a conference call in April. You'd certainly be welcome to join if you'd like to talk with him.
    As ever,
    David

    David,
    In your opinion would SFGIX (SIGIX) be a replacement for MAPIX?
    I currently own MAPIX and MACSX.
    Mona
  • Seafarer at three
    Today's was Seafarer Overseas Growth & Income (SFGIX) fund's third anniversary; it launched February 15, 2012. Steady asset growth despite a tough stretch for the emerging markets. Annual returns since inception are, per Morningstar, 8%. The category average for the same period is 1%. The big gains came in the first year but he's steadily outperformed since then, too.
    I'm not sure why the fund won't debut as a Five Star, Great Owl but I've been surprised before.
    With luck, Andrew will join us for a conference call in April. You'd certainly be welcome to join if you'd like to talk with him.
    As ever,
    David
  • Berkshire Eliminates Exxon Stake Amid Plunge In Oil Prices
    FYI: Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. eliminated its holding in Exxon Mobil Corp., exiting a $3.7 billion investment in the world’s largest energy company as oil prices fell.
    Berkshire had no holding in the Exxon as of Dec. 31, according to a regulatory filing Tuesday from Buffett’s Omaha, Nebraska-based company detailing its U.S. stock portfolio. That compares with about 41 million shares three months earlier. Berkshire also increased its investment in agricultural equipment maker Deere & Co. and disclosed a stake in 21st Century Fox Inc.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-17/berkshire-cuts-exxon-mobil-stake-amid-plunge-in-oil-prices
  • wintergreen
    Hi MikeW,
    I would classify WGRNX as a definite sell. David Winters has always given interesting interviews, but despite the hype at the fund's inception ("2 without the 20" hedge fund comparison), WGRNX has never behaved like a hedge fund and has had underwhelming performance to date. Furthermore, WGRNX continues to be outperformed by his old fund, MDISX, despite a huge difference in AUM: $1.4B vs. $25B.
    Among global funds, there are more attractive options such as: VMNVX (young, but so far so good), DODWX, THOIX ($500 minimum + initial TF in Fidelity retirement accounts per test trade) and HCOYX.
    Kevin
  • wintergreen
    I agree with some of what David Winters has said regarding emerging market consumers and still own a significant holding in former Wintergreen top holding Jardine Matheson. That said, the fund has not done terribly well in recent years, partly due to the Macau theme, which has seemingly cooled off quite a bit recently. He also has a few sizable energy holdings, including "forever a value" Canadian Natural Resources.
    I don't think the emerging market consumer theme has done all that well in the last couple of years, although there have absolutely been some exceptions (especially the internet stocks - Tencent, for example.)
    Keep in mind there has been a crackdown on luxury gifting in China, which has hurt stocks like Diageo and has probably hurt Richemont (http://www.cnbc.com/id/100445071)
    The Winters vs Coke battle was ridiculous and he's probably taken losses on the Swiss holdings (Richemont, Nestle, Swatch) lately.
    The Genting companies that Wintergreen holds are the most fascinating resort companies, but have done terribly as stocks. They are high on the list of "stocks I would like to like but can't."
    I don't think Winters is wrong on the EM consumer trade, but I think his themes have run into problems and I get the sense in interviews that he's long-term in his beliefs/holdings and if you don't want to join him, go.
    I completely agree with you regarding the lack of short selling. Not that one has to use that tool constantly or anything, but Winters has often pitched Wintergreen as a "hedge fund" with all manner of tools at its disposal and it's rare he seems to use any of them. He's discussed his ability to go activist - I mean, him going against Coke is literally kind of a David vs Goliath and kind of a waste of time and resources.
    Seafarer would not be a bad choice at all, although that's EM vs Wintergreen (world fund), so not an apples-to-apples replacement. Still, at least Seafarer provides a bit of a yield.
  • Scott Burns: Couch Potato Investing Trumps “Expert” Investing, Once More
    I'm going to reinstitute the 40 word rule(MFO)....Life is short and so is my attention
    Old Salesman rule, you have 15 seconds to get a prospects attention/interest.....its true..
  • wintergreen
    Can I ask what people's thoughts are on Wintergreen are? I've owned it since its inception because of David Winters's prior track record. However his performance over the 1, 3, and 5 year periods is pretty awful compared to the category averages. In addition, as others have noted, his total expense ratio is really high for this category. He has pitched this fund as a go anywhere fund that can short stocks to offer protection, but he didn't do so in 2008. At any rate, I'm thinking of selling this holding and deploying the funds into an emerging markets fund like Seafarer. My EM exposure right now is only about 7% and I'd like to increase it. Would value your thoughts. thanks!
  • how much to contribute to 401k [investing 101]
    First some clarifications
    (1) John's reference to "tsp" leads me to think he's a Federal employee. A description of tsp http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/thrift_savings_plan.asp
    (2) His question refers to "401K". While not the same, 401Ks and TSPs operate pretty much the same. According to the description above, one can be converted into the other.
    (3) John refers to "distribution" in his question. I suspect he means "contribution."
    If John wants respondents to detail how much they invest annually in these plans, I can't answer. We contribute nothing in retirement. In fact, we take distributions of 4-5% annually. While employed, my contributions varied widely. The limit back in the 70s-90s was in the range of $6,000 to $10,000 annually as I recall. We seldom "maxed-out", except during the last few years.
    The first article (which I read) isn't very well focused. It mentions the need to save and difficulties that often prevent families from doing so. It touches on RMD requirements. It gives $18,000 as the yearly limit on contributions. And, it notes that some employer plans feature a match.
    Like most of these articles, they manage to get the wagon out in front of the horse a little. Before people can save, they have to to learn to manage household expenses through effective planning/budgeting. They also need to get off the credit Merry Go-Round if they're carrying over monthly balances on credit cards or other forms of revolving credit.
    Once solvent, families can begin saving. I won't go overboard touting 401Ks. They're a great component to saving. However, as some have noted previously, the tax advantages eventually come back to haunt you in the form of the "ordinary income" tax rates applied on plan distributions. For at least some, 401Ks may not be the preferred method of saving. I once met a fellow who had chosen to invest during his working years in rental properties he was fixing-up and which would provide an income stream during retirement. So, one size does not fit all.
    My favorite expression relating to monthly savings - "PAY YOURSELF FIRST."
  • 3 beautiful boring balanced funds from Vanguard
    Acitve managed Moderate Allocation funds list, which vary in balance methodology.
    Click upon the 5 year column for the longer view to sort by return percentage.
    Note: these funds, not unlike we mortal individual investors have off years, too; as with
    VILLX, which fell upon its return face in 2014.