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  • MRFOX
    FWIW, my account was an IRA (good guess!). I closed it several years ago but the Firstrade still lets me log in though not trade, obviously. So I can pull up some info like this but cannot do things like test trades to see what happens.
    Brokerages are often free to set their own mins. It's pretty well known that one can get institutional class shares with lower mins at many brokerages (typically with a TF). It works the other way, too. Sometimes brokerages set mins above the prospectus min. For example, many brokerages set a $100K min for RPHIX even though the prospectus requires only $50K.
    Firstrade is just following the propsectus for MRFOX. $10K min for regular accounts, $1K for IRAs.
    https://doc.morningstar.com/docdetail.aspx?ticker=MRFOX
    The issue I have with Schwab's fee is that it applies to every purchase. I'm willing to pay the 49.95 basis point charge ($49.95 on $10K) one time to get access to an institutional share class of some fund that saves me 25 basis points per year with its lower ER. I'm a long term investor.
    But I don't want to do that repeatedly with incremental investments. Fidelity's $5 "side door" - adding smaller amounts via auto-invest - makes the initial fee tolerable. (OTOH, Schwab offers funds with lower mins and seems to have a wider assortment.)

    Thanks. May I ask why you closed Firstrade? Antiquated system but does offer a number of mutual funds institutional class without charge.
  • MRFOX
    Vanguard gives 25 free trades/year at the Flagship level. Likely you need that much ($1M) at Schwab before they'll give you a break.
    Otherwise, Vanguard charges $3/auto-invest, but with a min of two investments. If you're DCA'ing, that is of no import - you're doing periodic investments already. Under those circumstances, Vanguard is cheaper than Fidelity. And I'll gladly pay $3, or even $5, to save 25 basis points per year (institutional shares vs. retail shares). The break even point is a year with a $2K addition (@Fidelity), and just $1200 at Vanguard.
    Vanguard, like Fidelity and Schwab, has its list of NTF funds. It charges TFs on only some funds outside of its own.
    A difference of note is that Vanguard, like Merrill, T. Rowe Price, and others charges TFs for sales as well as for purchases, while Fidelity and Schwab charge only for purchases. Not important for DCA'ing, but important in the drawdown phase.
    https://investor.vanguard.com/client-benefits/brokerage-fees-commissions
    https://www.merrilledge.com/pricing
    https://www.troweprice.com/personal-investing/accounts/brokerage/commissions-and-fees.html
  • CPOAX FUND
    FMILX - one manager, 1.3 yrs tenure, $100-500K invested
    FDSVX - two managers, 17 & 7 years tenure, both > $1 million invested
  • Who can tell me? Fido vs. Schwab
    Speaking of Schwab, this greeting me just now...
    Screenshot-2024-02-15-at-09-34-36
    I've had similar things happen, and just reloaded and the page came right up. It may or may not for you. But things are never down for long there, in my experience.
  • Who can tell me? Fido vs. Schwab
    Speaking of Schwab, this greeting me just now...
    Screenshot-2024-02-15-at-09-34-36
  • MRFOX
    @msf : " The issue I have with Schwab's fee is that it applies to every purchase. I'm willing to pay the 49.95 basis point charge ($49.95 on $10K) one time to get access to an institutional share class of some fund that saves me 25 basis points per year with its lower ER. I'm a long term investor."
    Check with FD1000. He reports that they give him free trades or something to that reasoning. Talk to a rep & see if they'll give you a break.
    No DCA into a fund with that $ fee !! I don't like that "deal" either. I think Vanguard is the same with purchases outside their own funds .
    Enough said, Derf
  • Natural gas $1.63
    Near lowest in 25 years.
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  • MRFOX
    FWIW, my account was an IRA (good guess!). I closed it several years ago but the Firstrade still lets me log in though not trade, obviously. So I can pull up some info like this but cannot do things like test trades to see what happens.
    Brokerages are often free to set their own mins. It's pretty well known that one can get institutional class shares with lower mins at many brokerages (typically with a TF). It works the other way, too. Sometimes brokerages set mins above the prospectus min. For example, many brokerages set a $100K min for RPHIX even though the prospectus requires only $50K.
    Firstrade is just following the propsectus for MRFOX. $10K min for regular accounts, $1K for IRAs.
    https://doc.morningstar.com/docdetail.aspx?ticker=MRFOX
    The issue I have with Schwab's fee is that it applies to every purchase. I'm willing to pay the 49.95 basis point charge ($49.95 on $10K) one time to get access to an institutional share class of some fund that saves me 25 basis points per year with its lower ER. I'm a long term investor.
    But I don't want to do that repeatedly with incremental investments. Fidelity's $5 "side door" - adding smaller amounts via auto-invest - makes the initial fee tolerable. (OTOH, Schwab offers funds with lower mins and seems to have a wider assortment.)
  • MRFOX
    Firstrade - $1K min, $100 additional.
    Fund Symbol: MRFOX View Prospectus
    Fund Type: No Load Open for Investment: Yes Settlement Period: 1 day
    NAV*: $29.65 Initial Minimum Amount: $1,000.00 Cut-Off Time: 4:00 PM
    NAV Change: -$0.04 Subsequent Amount: $100.00
    So, what's crazy is I've been a Firstrade customer for decades with a decent balance and here is what I see:
    Fund Name: MARSHFIELD CONCENTRATED OPPTY FD
    Fund Symbol: MRFOX View Prospectus I have read the Prospectus
    Fund Type: No Load Open for Investment: Yes Settlement Period: 1 day
    NAV*: $29.71 Initial Minimum Amount: $10,000.00 Cut-Off Time: 4:00 PM
    NAV Change: +$0.18 Subsequent Amount: $100.00 Redemption Fee: see prospectus
    How can they have different minimums for the same account type (mine is regular, not IRA)? I also checked this some time ago and the minimum was also $10K. (Sidenote, the $49.95 at Schwab used to really bother me, but its noise in the grand scheme for a $10K or more purchase).
  • CPOAX FUND
    Well said, @yogibearbull.
    On M* classifications, FMILX is surely a funny one. I recently carved into it while researching a possible replacement for an existing LCV holding.
    Here are FMILX's Top Holdings as of 01/31/24.
    Not quite your classic LCV fund!
    Top 10 Holdings
    29.95% of Total Portfolio
    152 holdings as of 01/31/2024
    MSFT 7.49%
    AAPL 4.24%
    NVDA 3.94%
    AMZN 3.21%
    META 2.60%
    GOOGL 1.93%
    LLY 1.88%
    V 1.82%
    UNH 1.42%
    SPACE EXPLORATION TECH CORP PP 1.42%
  • AAII Sentiment Survey, 2/14/24
    AAII Sentiment Survey, 2/14/24
    BULLISH remained the top sentiment (42.2%; above average) & bearish remained the bottom sentiment (26.8%, below average); neutral remained the middle sentiment (31.1%, average); Bull-Bear Spread was +15.4% (above average). Investor concerns: Elections, budget, inflation, economy, the Fed, dollar, Russia-Ukraine (103+ weeks), Israel-Hamas (18+ weeks), geopolitical. For the Survey week (Th-Wed), stocks were mixed (growth up, cyclicals down), bonds down, oil up, gold down, dollar up. With good economic data & stock market, the Fed won't rush to cut. Japan is in technical recession. #AAII #Sentiment #Markets
    https://ybbpersonalfinance.proboards.com/post/1357/thread
  • Who can tell me? Fido vs. Schwab
    @Crash- I'll tell you what- when you find the perfect broker who meets each and every one of your non-negotiable demands, and has a record of perfect service for at least ten years, please let the rest of us know.
    Ain’t that the truth? 90% success / satisfaction over time is pretty good in the business world. I’ve been with probably 15 different fund houses over 50 + years. Only two became so atrocious in service that I fled on account of it: Strong Funds and T.Rowe Price. Works out to about 87% success rate. And no one else has ever even come close to sharing in the dubois distinction possessed by the two afore mentioned.
  • February MFO is Live
    #6. Holcim/HCMLY is a giant Swiss producer of construction aggregates (concrete, gravel, etc) that is spinning off its Holcim-US (Chicago-based) operations. It has been in the list recommended by Meryl Witmer. It's probably as far as one could get from the current Magnificent 7.
    "Meryl WITMER/Eagle Capital: BXSL (BDC), EEFT, DFIN, DLTR, Holcim/HCMLY, SLVM (Barron's Roundtable Part 3)"
    https://fortune.com/2024/01/28/cement-giant-holcim-to-spin-off-north-america-unit-construction-boom/
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/switzerlands-holcim-spin-off-north-112826250.html
  • T. Rowe Price - Arrrgh!
    In trying to look for clear & concise explanation of "Y" and "F" shares, I found this:
    "If the ticker ends with the letter "Y", this means that it is not an F share, but a Y share."
    OK, cannot argue with that at all (-:). But seriously, from the same link (from a legal outfit),
    "Y shares designate American Depositary Receipts (ADR) that are being traded in the US market. Banks or other depositary institutions will hold foreign shares and issue receipts for them. This is called an ADR. The ADR will be denominated in a ratio of one ADR to X-number of foreign shares."
    "While (F share) trades are executed in US dollars by US broker-dealers, the shares are settled, cleared and custodised in your local market.
    An F share is created in the US when a broker-dealer files a Form 211 with FINRA (the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority) to create a US ticker symbol in order to report trades in the US in your company’s shares. This is not a new share. It is a reference to your existing shares via a newly created ticker symbol in the United States for reporting and trading purposes."
    My story: from YEARS ago, I had a Canadian "F" share fund. Commission/fee was high - I don't remember if it was $50, but was much higher than $6.95. It had almost 3-day turnaround for trade confirmations (not for settlement!). When I complained, I was told that those don't really trade in the US. Some US aggregator/dealer trades them in Canada when he felt like it, and my broker could confirm only when he reported back. From that time on, I have avoided tickers ending in "F". Tickers ending in "Y" do trade within the US.
    https://www.carstedrosenberg.com/post/what-are-f-shares
  • Who can tell me? Fido vs. Schwab
    Why should we always have to settle? Why shouldn't systems work FOR us?
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    While this model was created to describe goods, it also applies to services.
    You want good service? You'll either pay more for it (not cheap), or you'll have to wait for it (slow service, understaffed).
    You want fast service? You'll either pay more for it (sufficient, well-trained staff) or get lower quality/limited service.
    You want cheap service? You'll have to give up quality (lower paid, less trained providers) or speed (understaffed).
    It's just economics. Some places do better than others (e.g. economies of scale, better training methods, more productive technology, etc.), but they are all subject to the same tradeoffs.
  • Who can tell me? Fido vs. Schwab
    I have a question or two for them, also, about THAT: foreign stocks incur a FEE? Even if they trade on US exchanges???? "Foreign stocks." That's what the footnote says.
    I just posted a fair amount of info on foreign stock trading (in response to Yogi's similar comment about $50 fees) on another thread. Here's the post.
    Short answer: Listed stocks (i.e. stocks trading on a US exchange) are charged the same regardless of whether they are domestic or foreign stocks. At Schwab, that's $0.
    From Schwab pricing (online price column):
    Listed Stocks and ETFs ¹    $0 online commission
    Foreign stock transactions placed on the U.S. over-the-counter (OTC) market⁹    $50 foreign transaction fee
    ¹ Standard online $0 commission does not apply to over-the-counter (OTC) equities, transaction-fee mutual funds, futures, fixed-income investments, or trades placed directly on a foreign exchange or in the Canadian market.
    ⁹ Transactions in foreign ordinary shares incur additional custody, clearing, and settlement expenses. A foreign transaction fee is added to trades placed on the US over-the-counter market through the online or automated phone channels. The commission and foreign transaction fee will be combined and will appear as one line item, labeled "Commission," on the trade confirmation.
  • T. Rowe Price - Arrrgh!
    I don't think that T Rowe Price offers genuine fractional trading for stocks/ETFs (that one can enter as orders; Fido & Schwab allow that, but a different order screen may be needed). But there are fractional shares for mutual funds and dividend reinvestments, and sell-all should work. Price clears through Pershing/BNY-Mellon, so restrictions are coming from that.
    TRP is still a far sight better than Merrill Edge when it comes to fractions. At Merrill, you can't enter fractions of shares, even of mutual funds, into its online form. And if you check the box "sell all", it sells only the whole shares that day. The remaining fraction gets sold somewhere around the third week of the month (likely batched together with all other account fractions), even for money market funds.
    Almost all brokers charge fees of $50 or so for stocks that trade on foreign exchanges, and Canada is considered foreign. This is why use ADRs with tickers ending in "Y" that trade in the US, not those ending in "F" that trade on foreign exchanges.
    The tickers ending in F are used when trading foreign stocks domestically, OTC. These trades typically incur a $50 commission as stated. (Schwab charges $6.95 for Canadian stocks.) Some foreign stocks or ETFs may be listed on a domestic exchange and trade commission-free like domestic stocks. One can also trade foreign stocks on foreign exchanges, without the OTC'ized ticker.
    Schwab page on different ways of investing in foreign companies
    Forbes: OTC vs listed stocks (not specific to foreign stocks)
    When trading directly on a foreign exchange each broker has different fees. At Schwab, a commission is the greater of $100 or 0.75% of the amount traded (see link above). That's prohibitive if one can trade the same stock OTC.  At Fidelity, the fees are more modest (you can trade online), though there are additional costs: currency exchange fees and taxes/fees originating from the foreign country/exchange.
    Fidelity suggests holding foreign currency if one is going to make several trades on a given foreign exchange. That way one avoids multiple currency exchange fees (Fidelity charges up to 1%). Fidelity's list of fees - commissions, currency exchanges, and foreign taxes/fees is here:
    https://www.fidelity.com/stock-trading/faqs-international
    (expand the question: What are the international stock commissions and fees?)
  • The Week in Charts | Charlie Bilello
    The Week in Charts (02/11/24)
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    01:31 Topics
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    29:56 No Rush to Cut (Fed Policy)
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  • Funds up 2/13. Any?
    Every single one of my mutual funds/ETFs was down today.
    Declines ranged from -0.21% for STIP to -3.55% for VTMSX.
  • Funds up 2/13. Any?
    FCNVX, my favorite bond fund of the past year, dropped only 0.1%. USFR actually rose 0.03%, to be expected since it’s a floating rate fund.
    Although not a fund, General Electric, was up 1.14% on the day. Don’t ask me about its 5, 10 and 20 year returns.