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  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    Junk:
    TUHYX. (15.65% of portfolio.)
    5 yr +14.31%
    3 yr: +3.6%
    1 yr: +0.67%
    YTD: +5.87%
    3 mo: +1.41
    Better than my Tips. But I'm holding the Tips, anyhow.
    Other junk of mine: PRCPX and HYDB.
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    @yogibb, I have made the switch already since January this year to increase allocation to intermediate term bonds since. First started on treasury and then corporate bonds using both active and passive managed funds/ETFs. Though I have limited choices in my 401(k) plan. Also invested in a multi sector fund, PIMIX, and ST HY bond, OSTIX based on previously experience with these managers. My bank loan/floating rate bond exposure are limited to PRWCX, but I am watching closely as Giruox makes his moves quickly.
    I continue to maintain a decent exposure to cash equivalents as long as the yield curve is inverted. Given this year’s inflation running near 5%, these cash equivalent is barely able to keep up AFTER factoring out inflation. Nevertheless, there are still better than the past near zero yield with money market. So rotating to the intermediate term bonds is necessary for the bond price appreciation as you noted that Fed’s rate hike is near the end.
    During the March 2020 drawdown, BL/FL funds fell like HY corporate funds, averaging over 10%, and they took close to 6 months to recover. Treasury’s, in contrast, barely dropped at all and end ed the year up several percents as the FED cut the rate to 0.25%.
    A mid-year review from Schwab’s Kathy Jones is enclosed for your enjoyment.
    https://schwab.com/learn/story/mid-year-outlook-fixed-income
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    As I said earlier, I have a watchlist of about a dozen BL/FR funds. Everyone of them are positive for 1 week, 1 month, 3 month, and YTD. "If" I choose to put some money to work in this category, I would consider some of the lower risk options (according to SD and M*). A few examples include PRFRX, SAMBX, MWFLX, etc. TRowe Price PRFRX has a SD of 3.76, an M* Risk Rating of Below Average, TR of one week of .72/one month of .78/3 month of 1.26/YTD of 4.59. Metropolitan West MWFLX has a SD of 3.56, M* Risk Rating of Low, TR of one week of.60/1 month of .79/3 month of 1.77/YTD of 4.94.
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    @Sven, @Observant1, Sara DEVEREUX has a feature in the current Barron's. From my Summary, Part 2 (some excerpts also posted earlier by @Observant1),
    Sara DEVEREUX, Vanguard Fixed-Income Head. She joined Vanguard in 2019 from Goldman Sachs/GS. After a terrible 2022, BONDS are doing better in 2023; she wears a button, “Bonds Are Back”. She thinks that the US will have a shallow recession in 2023. Inflation fell from its peak but is still high; the core PCE may be +3.3% by 2023YE, +2.xx% by 2024YE. Many supply-related issues have been resolved, but the demand has to cool to tame wages and inflation. The labor market remains strong, but it is a lagging indicator. Due to many factors now, the unemployment rate may peak at 5% in the next recession. The FED may pause in June to assess the impact of its rapid tightening so far, but rates may go up later, and may remain higher for longer. The times now are opportunities for active bond investors (remember, she is at Vanguard!). She likes portfolios of high-quality bonds of short/intermediate duration with some HY and EM (consider those as equity equivalent); munis are also attractive. HY spreads are tight, but their absolute yields are OK. She is avoiding FR/BL as those are of lower quality. Vanguard funds mentioned are VCOBX (core), VCPAX (core plus), VGIT (Treasuries – intermediate), VMSIX (multisector), VTES (short-term muni).
    I would just note that Floating Rate/Bank Loan category of bond funds, has been doing pretty well this calendar year. I continue to maintain a watchlist of about a dozen funds in the FR/BL category, and everyone of them has positive performance for one week, one month, 3 months, and YTD. The FR/BL category has historically performed well in Flat and Rising Rate Markets, TR performance has a positive trend this year, and rates do not seem likely to fall anytime soon. I have not invested in this category in the last year, but this category is looking promising.
  • About predictions based on the improved supply chain fixing inflation
    Labor trouble on the West Coast ports needs to be considered.
    At the moment, the ILWU's strategy appears to be targeted slow downs.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/09/5-billion-in-cargo-stuck-off-west-coast-ports-in-truck-container-jam.html
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    Hank: FD - Just a reaction to your use of “proprietary”. It sounds as if you can’t share your approach on a board dedicated to sharing and helping one another. But perhaps I misunderstood your intent. Sorry if I offended you.
    FD: I did share, read the link. The following is a main tech indicator I have used called, three line break. For over a year now, all my bond trades were in HY Munis using 2 out of the 3 funds each time (ORNAX,NHMAX,XXXXX). This (chart) shows how it works. Green bars=buy, Red bars=sell. This is a decent indicator that works with many bond funds. How and What else I do is proprietary, especially using mainly 2 funds. This is why I bought in the middle of last week.
    But, there is a change. The Fed fund rate, as we know it now, is stabilized at +-0.25% for the next several months. This means to me that finally, the risk of higher rates is lower, I can use other categories, and Multi is where I find unique funds. Munis were easier to predict with my trades and behave better than treasuries.
    I already posted that this time I bought NHMAX. This fund is usually the riskiest, the chance is for a better upside this time. As of April 30, it has an effective leverage of 27.3% per Nuveen site, there isn't other HY Muni OEF with such a leverage, unless I missed it.
    So, after more than a year trading only HY munis, this time NHMAX is only a small % of my portfolio, the other bond fund isn't.
    ========
    Dear stillers:
    1) Let me ask you an easy question. Why did you use 3 different names(stillers,Arriba, Albie) on different sites? Did you try to hide something?
    2) Why don't you try to register on BB as stillers? You have no chance with the moderator who knows you for years.
    BTW, the subject of this thread is bond, why not make comments on it?
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    I read the Vanguard report. Dated from this past April. I read no surprises, actually. Two-thirds of my bonds are in junk. And lately, we added Tips SCHP. It's breaking even, or just barely below, for the duration we've owned that ETF. TUHYX yield = 7.45%. PRCPX yield = 6.75% and HYDB yield = 6.61%. Higher up the food-chain, SCHP yield = 5.85%. I'm not complaining.
    (On the other hand, BRUFX sits in the 100th percentile among peers. That is cruddy and terrible.)
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    In this week’s Barron’s ”Up & Down Wall Street” Randall Forsyth cites 2 veteran bond traders, 89 year old Dan Fuss & Louise Yamada -
    “Spoiler alert: These veterans are both cautious now, with a strong preference for short-term Treasury bills.”
    Forsyth’s tune changes week-to-week, so don’t take this too seriously. But the overall tone this week, anyway, is that we’re into the early stages year of what will me a decades long rise in rates. (bear market for bonds). That supposedly explains the caution of the two veterans. It is also noted that l”Over two-plus centuries, U.S. longterm rates have oscillated around an average of 5% …”
    [snip]
    @Hank,
    I read the Barron's article you referenced.
    Mr. Forsyth stated: "we thought it instructive to touch base with two market veterans who were present
    at the birth of the previous long-term cycle to get their thoughts on where we might be headed."

    I immediately thought of Dan Fuss before reading the next paragraph.
    Anyway, Fuss and Yamada are both cautious as you have mentioned.
    They are concerned about the government's finances
    and suggest positioning for higher yields in the future.
    Both market veterans currently prefer shorter-term Treasuries.
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    In this week’s Barron’s (”Up & Down Wall Street”) Randall Forsyth cites two veteran bond traders, 89 year old Dan Fuss & Louise Yamada …
    “Spoiler alert: These veterans are both cautious now, with a strong preference for short-term Treasury bills.”
    Forsyth’s tune changes week-to-week, so don’t take it too seriously. But the overall tone this week is that we’re into the early stages of a decades-long rise in interest rates (and a bear market in bonds). That supposedly explains the caution of the two veterans cited. It is also stated that - “Over two-plus centuries, U.S. longterm rates have oscillated around an average of 5% …”
    Thanks @Observant1 and @Sven for helping keep this thread on the tracks.
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    @Sven, @Observant1, Sara DEVEREUX has a feature in the current Barron's. From my Summary, Part 2 (some excerpts also posted earlier by @Observant1),
    Sara DEVEREUX, Vanguard Fixed-Income Head. She joined Vanguard in 2019 from Goldman Sachs/GS. After a terrible 2022, BONDS are doing better in 2023; she wears a button, “Bonds Are Back”. She thinks that the US will have a shallow recession in 2023. Inflation fell from its peak but is still high; the core PCE may be +3.3% by 2023YE, +2.xx% by 2024YE. Many supply-related issues have been resolved, but the demand has to cool to tame wages and inflation. The labor market remains strong, but it is a lagging indicator. Due to many factors now, the unemployment rate may peak at 5% in the next recession. The FED may pause in June to assess the impact of its rapid tightening so far, but rates may go up later, and may remain higher for longer. The times now are opportunities for active bond investors (remember, she is at Vanguard!). She likes portfolios of high-quality bonds of short/intermediate duration with some HY and EM (consider those as equity equivalent); munis are also attractive. HY spreads are tight, but their absolute yields are OK. She is avoiding FR/BL as those are of lower quality. Vanguard funds mentioned are VCOBX (core), VCPAX (core plus), VGIT (Treasuries – intermediate), VMSIX (multisector), VTES (short-term muni).
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    Hank, if you think that my system is too funny, I welcome you to dive a bit into it(link). Several did and doing very well. The whole idea is to find great risk/reward funds, small AUM is a plus, an uptrend is a must + owning only 2-3 funds.
    FD - Just a reaction to your use of “proprietary”. It sounds as if you can’t share your approach on a board dedicated to sharing and helping one another. But perhaps I misunderstood your intent. Sorry if I offended you.
    I can’t argue with your idea that investors do best with “great risk/reward funds”. I’d maybe expand that to “great risk/reward opportunities”. Might be a fund. Might be a stock. Might be a bond. Might even be a particular asset manager. Would I ever suggest such here? Unlikely. Too much chance I’d make a bad call and help drive someone else to financial ruin. So at least two of us are reluctant to state where we think investors should currently put their money. But for different reasons.
    Glad you’re having a successful year. Wishing you continued success.
  • Anybody Investing in bond funds?
    Some people have T-DS and some have FD-DS.
    Hank, if you think that my system is too funny, I welcome you to dive a bit into it(link). Several did and doing very well. The whole idea is to find great risk/reward funds, small AUM is a plus, an uptrend is a must + owning only 2-3 funds. In the last several years it's mostly bond OEFs. These funds eventually get discovered. I held PIMIX for about 7-8 years, then came IOFIX. HY Munis have always been a part of it.
  • January MFO Ratings Posted
    @Charles, check out Barron's,
    TRADER. Stocks rose as the wall of worry faded away. The RALLY broadened beyond large-caps to small/mid-caps and cyclicals (financials, industrials). The SP500 was in a bear market for 248 days (Edit - the longest since 1948) and it may reach a new high that is +10% away. Of course, there are economic data, the FOMC meeting(s), and a possible recession along the way. Enjoy the rally while it lasts.
    https://www.barrons.com/articles/stock-market-gains-as-wall-of-worry-crumbles-what-happens-next-75e1dc1e?mod=past_editions
    You may be thinking of the time it took for the SP500 to recover fully, and that was about 5 years after the GFC; however, the allocation funds recovered much faster.
  • January MFO Ratings Posted
    The 8 June WSJ article mentions:
    "U.S. stocks rose Thursday, ending the S&P 500’s longest bear market since the 1940s and marking the start of a new bull run."
    That caught me a bit by surprise. Will update this table in July and see if I can understand where that statement is coming from ... I think the GFC bear lasted pretty long ... sure felt that way.
    https://www.mutualfundobserver.com/2022/07/the-great-normalization/
  • 15% “hit” to ADR dividend payment for “foreign tax”
    Thanks @Crash for sharing your previous thread. Sorry I didn’t pick-up on it. We learn as we go sometimes. At least at Fido it’s very easy to click on “Recent Transactions” and get a quick, clear read-out of everything that’s taken place. I didn’t need to call them. As soon as the transaction cleared it was easy to see what had occurred.
    After reading your post, I feel fortunate to have selected to buy a stock a country (Switzerland) that’s signature to a treaty with the U.S. and Canada reducing their customary foreign tax to “only” 15%. It appears from your post that Norway is not part of that pact. Uhhh.
    A gleam of optimism lies in the excellent commentary from @msf above. From that I discern that if you invest in a foreign country you’re going to get hit with some type of foreign tax - but that this is disguised (or passed on to you) in different ways by mutual funds and not easily discerned by fund holders.
    And @rabokma1 was perfectly correct in that tax-deferred accounts like IRAs are not the right place to own a security that is going to be taxed anyway. However, if you own any foreign securities through a mutual fund, truth is you are also getting hit with a “foreign tax” in some manner. So technically, rabokma1’s tax specific advice might appear to apply to mutual funds as well.
    @Crash - That 25% hit you encountered is an eye-opener for us all. As far as TRP goes, on the mutual fund side customer support has been abysmal for a long time. But I can’t speak for their brokerage side, having never dealt with it. BTW - There was a very small “foreign transaction fee” posted at Fidelity related to the dividend payout. Not worth mentioning. Pretty common for fiduciaries.
    One correction on my part. My previous assertion that a 15% tax on the asset value of a foreign fund might not be any more oppressive than a 1% ER on a foreign fund was incorrect, Actually, working that through in my head, the 15% tax on dividends would probably amount to 2-3 times as much (in dollar terms) as a 1% ER would.
  • 15% “hit” to ADR dividend payment for “foreign tax”
    I ran into this only days ago. Created a thread about it, hoping for an explanation. The responders were certainly helpful. I heard no indication from TRP that anything will change in a positive way regarding the way this stuff gets posted (or NOT posted!) to the account.
    Reminds me of calling "Customer Service." THERE'S an oxymoron. TRP does not clear the trades. It's Pershing. But I can't get to Pershing. I have to talk to TRP. ...Like all those times when you talk to the phone "specialist" at Customer "Service." They have to put you on hold to find out what to do and what exactly to TELL you, waiting patiently. Because they know nothing. And the ones who hold the cards are not accountable, and are not even connected.
    Turns out, I paid a 25% tax "withheld at the source." Norway, in my case. (NHYDY.) Not happy about it, but the dividend is worth keeping. That's on top of the fee that TRP stole from me, as well. (For dealing with a foreign dividend.) NHYDY typically pays the dividend only once per year, in May.
    https://www.mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/61160/ork-wtf-transaction-trp-got-an-answer#latest
  • 15% “hit” to ADR dividend payment for “foreign tax”
    Thank you @msf / Quick read of your dissertation answers a lot of what I was wondering about. Will study it more after getting in a late day bike ride.
    I did have 1 additional thought … While none of us likes paying taxes, owning this company inside an actively managed fund would likely command a 1% or greater management fee. Without doing the math, I suspect that would work out to more than a 15% annual foreign tax on just 2-3% of the asset’s value.
    Not to deny the benefit to owning said stock in a taxable account (rather than IRA), but the tax headache from frequent trades would be troublesome for me.
  • Online Brokers - Barron's Rankings, 2023
    Online Brokers - Barron's Rankings, 2023
    Broker Star Rating Notes
    Interactive Brokers 5* IBKR Pro, IBKR Lite
    Fidelity 5* Also Solo FidFolios, Fidelity Bloom
    Schwab 4.5*
    E*Trade 4* Also Power E*Trade
    TD Ameritrade 4* Bought by Schwab. Last year in rankings.
    More in the link,
    https://ybbpersonalfinance.proboards.com/post/1063/thread
    https://www.barrons.com/articles/interactive-fidelity-schwab-best-online-brokers-ratings-52d73cb3
  • 15% “hit” to ADR dividend payment for “foreign tax”
    @MikeM - Thanks for your contribution. I’m sure you realize I’m concerned particularly about a single stock in this respect. I don’t really know whether the 15% tax paid on one year’s distribution equates to the same tax (if any) an investor would pay if he owned the stock through a fund instead. But your point is a good one.
    If it helps any … The annual dividend payout on my ADR amounted to about 2.5% of its value. So I was hit with a 15% tax on that 2.5% payout. Hardly seems enough reason to sell a stock that’s been a good steady-eddy. Or to move to a taxable account with the (than taxable) trading implications. As a portfolio component this stock equals a bit less than 5% of portfolio.
    Not a math genius. But I think the tax we’re talking about amounts to: 15% of 2.5% of 5%