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Yeah, I know, and I thought about it. But this strikes me as that rare, real win-win situation.@msf- sleeping dogs and all that stuff... :)
This is indeed why the market has sold off. The question for the value investor is at what point are the risks of expanded state control "priced in" to securities? Or should investors assume there is no suitable price for that risk? It is a vital question. Consider if the historical average price-earnings ratio of U.S. stocks is 15 while these Chinese stocks now have a 5 p-e. If the expanded state control reduces potential return on equity, the question is by how much? Let's say you assume that Chinese stocks should trade at a 1/3rd or 33% discount to U.S. ones because of Xi's recent behavior and expanded state control. That would mean a 10 p-e or a 100% gain from here when the dust settles. (Of course, this is just a rough calculation as stocks could get to that 10 p-e by the "e" part falling instead of the "p" rising. But even if you assume half of each, a 50% gain.) By contrast, if you think, that's it, the end of capitalism in China altogether--no price is worth paying.Expanded state control of the economy may lead to unsatisfactory investor outcomes.
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Holmes was a better writer than that. We pay taxes, not taxation. His words, excerpted from the source, Compania General de Tabacos v. Collector, 275 U.S. 87 (1927), were "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society". Priceless (no mention of price).“Taxation is the price we pay for civilization.” Oliver Wendell Holmes. According to fellow Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter: “[Holmes] did not have a curmudgeon’s feelings about his own taxes. A secretary who exclaimed ‘Don’t you hate to pay taxes!’ was rebuked with the hot response, ‘No, young feller. I like to pay taxes. With them I buy civilization.”
"The good news is America provides plenty of legal ways for people to avoid paying taxes, and the wealthier investors are, the more ways there are. "1852, Journal of the House of Representatives of the State of Vermont, October Session, 1851, Appendix: Report of the Committee Appointed by the Governor to Take into Consideration the Financial Affairs of the State, Start Page 368, Quote Page 369, Printed by Chauncey Goodrich, Burlington, Vermont. (Google Books full view) link
GDP curve doesn't look better (or worse) than GNP to these eyes.i think the statistical measuring rods are just not showing RELEVANT data. Maybe they did, in days gone by. Before federal agencies re-defined stuff to make things look better than they actually are. It's all too mushy and opaque and convoluted. So THAT doesn't help anything, either.
*Edited to add: remember when it was GNP that was reported? Not GDP?
https://apps.bea.gov/scb/2021/03-march/0321-reprint-gnp.htmGDP measures the goods and services produced within the country's geographical borders, by both U.S. residents and residents of the rest of the world. GNP measures the goods and services produced by only U.S. residents, both domestically and abroad.
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