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  • Alexa, how did Amazon’s voice assistant rack up a $10bn loss?
    The inclusion of privacy and security issues in this thread warrants notice of this:
    Meta fined €265m over data protection breach that hit more than 500m users-
    Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp have been fined nearly €1bn by EU since September 2021

    Following are edited excerpts from this report in The Guardian:
    Facebook’s owner (aka: Mark Zuckerberg) has been fined €265m by the Irish data watchdog after a breach that resulted in the details of more than 500 million users being published online.
    The Data Protection Commission (DPC) said Meta had infringed the EU’s data protection laws after details of Facebook users from around the world were scraped from public profiles in 2018 and 2019.
    The data appeared on a hacking website last year, prompting an investigation by the DPC, which is responsible for regulating Meta across the EU. The watchdog said a “significant” number of the users were from the EU.
    In addition to the fine, it “imposed a reprimand and an order” requiring Meta to “bring its processing into compliance by taking a range of specified remedial actions within a particular timeframe”.
    In a statement Meta said: “We made changes to our systems during the time in question, including removing the ability to scrape our features in this way using phone numbers. Unauthorised data scraping is unacceptable and against our rules.”
    The punishment brings the total amount of fines imposed on Meta by the DPC to nearly €1bn since September last year. In September Meta was fined €405m for letting teenagers set up Instagram accounts that publicly displayed their phone numbers and email addresses, while in March the watchdog fined Meta €17m for further GDPR breaches and in September last year it fined Meta’s WhatsApp €225m over “severe” and “serious” infringements of GDPR.
    However, one legal expert questioned whether strong enforcement of the EU’s General Data Protection Regulation would have the deterrent effect that it intended.
    “By any measure, these are significant fines,” said David Hackett, head of data protection in the Ireland office of law firm Addleshaw Goddard. “GDPR envisaged the imposition of such fines in part to serve as a deterrent to other companies which might consider breaching the law. We are likely to see increased debate about whether such fines actually influence corporate behaviour or if some companies simply see them as an added cost of doing business.
    The DPC regulates Apple, Google, TikTok and other technology platforms owing to the location of their EU headquarters in Ireland. It currently has 40 inquiries open into such companies, including 13 involving Meta.
    Note: Textual emphasis was added
  • Crypto investing coming to your 401(K) account
    Congressional bills regarding cryptocurrency (S. 4760 / H.R. 8730) have at most a tangential relation to DOL's regulation of 401(k) plan investments.
    Here's a brief negative critique summarizing the bill(s): https://ourfinancialsecurity.org/2022/09/news-release-cftc-should-have-narrow-role-in-crypto-to-preserve-sec-primacy/
    For more specifics, that links to a letter detailing several concerns:
    https://ourfinancialsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/AFR-Letter-Stabenow-Bill.pdf
    And a similar letter with some different items described:
    https://www.nasaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/NASAA-Letter-to-Committee-Leadership-Regarding-the-DCCPA-9-9-22-F.pdf
    Finally, a set of slides on the state of cryptocurrency regulation in the United States, "Brought to you by the Connecticut Department of Banking and the Securities Advisory Council to the Banking Commissioner", dated November 15, 2022.
    Among other things, it explains how cryptocurrencies can be viewed as securities by the SEC, as a commodity interest by the CFTC.
    https://www.daypitney.com/wp-content/uploads/2022-11-15-Unmasking-Crypto-Presentation-Final.pdf
    The Congressional bills were referred to the House Committee on Agriculture and to the Senate Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry. I suppose given the risks involved, it makes a kind of warped sense to lump crypto in with pork belly futures :-)
    As to DOL fiduciary duty, my feeling is that it doesn't go far enough. The standard is what a prudent investor would do, not what each individual employee would do.
    While I would personally be delighted with a brokerage window, I do not think that it serves a typical employee well. Studies have shown that employees when faced with a myriad of options (even without a window), are paralyzed. They may dump everything into cash, or divide their money evenly among all options, or not even participate. More choice is not necessarily better choice.
    See, e.g.
    https://www.marketplace.org/2022/01/11/default-options-are-popular-in-financial-decision-making-but-are-they-effective/
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/are-too-many-choices-costing-401-k-holders-1454900917
  • Crypto investing coming to your 401(K) account
    The current crypto proposal in Congress is already being mocked as SBF/FTX-proposal that makes the CFTC as the regulating body for cryptos. It has other strange ideas too - self-certification for custody assets, etc. From what has transpired recently, this proposal needs a thorough review and revisions.
    Some 401k/403b plans have taken their fiduciary responsibilities too seriously by limiting plan options to TDFs and only a handful of index and other funds. This may drive more people into brokerage options, if offered. Some others are going in a different direction - offer brokerage windows at high fees and be done with this responsibility stuff. Then, the cryptos can get in there too.
    Clearly, there is some sensible middle ground.
  • Crypto investing coming to your 401(K) account
    With all due respect to Elizabeth Warren, Dick Durbin and Tina Smith, IMHO cryptocurrency is no more unsuitable today for employer-sponsored plans than it was a month ago. Their current letter is more or less a followup to a similar but more extensive letter sent by Senators Warren and Smith in May. That in turn came after DOL issued guidance on cryptocurrency in 401(k) plans in March, emphasizing its risks.
    Fidelity isn’t the first company to give 401(k) participants access to cryptocurrency assets. Another industry provider, ForUsAll Inc., has linked workers with cryptocurrency exchanges through brokerage windows for several years. Fidelity takes a different approach with its Digital Asset Accounts product, which doesn’t rely on outside exchanges or brokerage windows.
    Employee Benefit Plan Review, October 2022, Volume 76, Number 8, pages 16-19. CCH Incorporated.
    (Published before FTX's collapse)
    The genie has been out of the bottle since brokerage windows were allowed. Fidelity just provided another route to the same investments. That's not to say that plan sponsors have no responsibility for how those windows are used. The DOL guidance hints at that. Quoting again from CCH:
    DOL provides a clear and definite warning to plan fiduciaries:
    The plan fiduciaries responsible for overseeing such investment options or allowing such investments through brokerage windows should expect to be questioned about how they can square their actions with their duties of prudence and loyalty in light of the risks described above.
    While the focus of this guidance is on 401(k) plans, the DOL’s warnings also extend to plans and plan fiduciaries responsible for allowing cryptocurrency investments through self-directed brokerage windows.
    One way of addressing this is to set limits. As stated in the OP, Fidelity sets a 20% limit. So the 20% Bitcoin decline in value lamented in the senators' letter would have resulted in a 4% or less decline in a participant's plan value. Significant but not catastrophic. And ForUSAll sets an even tighter limit, just 5%.
    Finally, note that while some senators are advocating caution, others welcome wild west investing in retirement accounts.
    Update: A Partisan Divide

    The Department of Labor's cryptocurrency guidance has provoked contrasting responses on Capital [sic] Hill.

    On May 5, Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala. introduced legislation that would prohibit the DOL from limiting the kinds of products workplace retirement savers can invest in through self-directed brokerage accounts.
    A day earlier, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., criticized Fidelity Investments for its decision to launch a new 401(k) cryptocurrency product, in a May 4 letter to Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson.
    https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/benefits/pages/dol-guidance-could-crimp-401k-brokerage-windows.aspx (Limit 3 free articles per month)
  • Crypto investing coming to your 401(K) account
    Fidelity administers my company's 401(k) plan.
    Crypto is not currently available via this 401(k).
    IMHO, crypto shouldn't be offered in defined contribution plans because it's too risky/speculative.
  • Bruce Fund. BRUFX: holding lotsa cash
    Just out of curiosity, I ran a screener on MFO for funds with a manager tenure of >= 20 years, 20 year performance and SubType = US Equity
    Top of the pack is FDGRX with APR = 13.8
    FCNTX with APR = 11 comes in at #19
    Just one narrow angle on the data, not suggesting that FCNTX is not a great fund.
    ** Note that MFO data is updated monthly only so these stats are for end of month October 2022.
  • 2022 year-end capital gains distribution estimates (Vanguard's Final estimated year-end posted)
    Thanks, @TheShadow. After making a big distribution in 2021, BCSIX will do the same this year. According to M* the fund holds 45% of its $3.6 billion in its top 10 positions. Concentration is great until it isn’t. Hard to blame shareholders for fleeing when they see it’s down 42% in the past year and that they’ll have to pay the IRS for the privilege of sticking around.
  • Bruce Fund. BRUFX: holding lotsa cash
    @Mark, the 1st click in PV changes "Year-to-year" to "Month-to-Month". The starting month is from the 1st day, the ending month to the last day (28/29th, 30th or 31st).
    https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-portfolio
  • Bruce Fund. BRUFX: holding lotsa cash
    I agree with yogi that FCNTX and PRWCX isn't an apples to apples compare.
    For investment period commencing June 1, 2006 to present day an investment of 10K would be valued at 46K for Danoff and 42K for Giroux. But the ride was a lot more turbulent with Danoff (as can be expected for an all equity fund)
    SD for Danoff is 15.62 vs. 11.64 for Giroux, max DD at -46 vs. -36 and worst year at -37 vs. -27.
    While Danoff beat Giroux since Giroux took charge of PRWCX Giroux has beaten most all equity funds with a lower risk.
  • Bruce Fund. BRUFX: holding lotsa cash
    @Mark, Giroux started with PRWCX in June 2006.
    Comparison with FCNTX (Danoff) isn't fair as that is 100% stock vs PRWCX that is typically 60-70% stock.
  • Bruce Fund. BRUFX: holding lotsa cash
    Being curious.....
    PRWCX , BRUFX , FCNTX , FBALX From Jan., 2006. Stockcharts includes all distributions for a total return for the period.
    CHART
  • Bruce Fund. BRUFX: holding lotsa cash
    @stayCalm - you mentioned "Giroux became manager of PRWCX in 2006. I don't know the exact date but from Jan 1, 2006 to present day PRWCX has beaten BRUFX comfortably."
    I only wish to add a stalwart of my own to that comparison FCNTX which beats them both. Not tooting any horns here but Danoff has had quite a career. He also does well over the 2002-2022 period with this year letting quite a bit of air out of his balloon.
    Danoff always springs to my mind when people discuss great managers.
  • 2022 year-end capital gains distribution estimates (Vanguard's Final estimated year-end posted)
    @BenWP
    I checked the page in question and I reposted the link from Brown Capital. I cannot post the direct link to the distributions. You need to click the link I included above, then click on the "distributions" link under Key Documents heading. I just retried the link above and opened the related PDF link which worked.
    The long-term CG distribution is $11.78 for investor and institutional classes of the small cap fund.
  • Bruce Fund. BRUFX: holding lotsa cash
    And elsewhere here, there's a thread regarding Amazon and Alexa. An unexpected FAIL, there. Giroux put a bunch of money into Amazon, and then for the first time, the stock fell, in line with losses, rather than profits. Oops. AMZN is now 2.61% of the equity stake in PRWCX. That's a 31% downshift from the prior portfolio report obtained by Morningstar. Over the past one year, AMZN is down -48%. Ouch.
    PRWCX holds one-third of its stocks in its top 10. THERE's a hefty bet. AMZN is #5 in size there.
  • Bruce Fund. BRUFX: holding lotsa cash
    @Crash, that is IRS' prorata withdrawal of tax-deferred (most) and nontaxable (some) funds from T-IRA and keeping track of the "basis" with annual Form 8606. There are only 2 ways to get around this:
    1. Ignore nontaxable funds and pay tax on 100%. IRS won't complain (-:).
    2. People working and having good 401k/403b can move the tax-deferred amounts from T-IRA to 401k/403b, then drain T-IRA of all nontaxable funds. Finally, move tax-deferred funds back into T-IRA. That is lot of paperwork but possible.
  • Bruce Fund. BRUFX: holding lotsa cash
    Both funds have their strengths. Giroux long term performance has been outstanding and I'm happy with PRWCX.
    Owning BRUFX requires a long term mindset because it has underperformed in stretches.
    That said, rolling returns imo is a better measure to judge performance than point to point returns because it reflects better how people invest during the accumulation stage.
    For the 3Y period commencing October 1, 2019 BRUFX has better risk stats than PRWCX
    Lower SD, lower beta, lower max DD (yes lower CAGR too).
    Giroux became manager of PRWCX in 2006. I don't know the exact date but from Jan 1, 2006 to present day PRWCX has beaten BRUFX comfortably.
    However for the 20Y period commencing Nov 1, 2002 BRUFX has knocked the socks off PRWCX. 10K in PRWCX would be 69K vs. 106K in BRUFX.
  • Bruce Fund. BRUFX: holding lotsa cash
    Not to malign BRUFX, but I think you own the better fund with PRWCX. I calculate 1,3,5,7,10 year returns as of last friday to be all higher for PRWCX than BRUFX, and with less volatility.
  • Alexa, how did Amazon’s voice assistant rack up a $10bn loss?
    Because Big Tech has bought out DC. Same as oil, defense and corn.
    +1.
    ....But of course, we ALL know that. "Regulatory capture."