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Minor Strategic Move

Howdy folks,

This past Friday I started to 'slowly' move money overseas. Major accounts are at TRP and I moved from Treasuries cash to PRELX. It seemed to be the most non-US cash type account available there. If anyone has a better suggestion, I'm all ears.

I cannot envision any future scenario where this ends well. Powell and friends have done a great job dealing with their side of the problem but the disfunction in Washington and looming fall election in the face of the Second Wave of COVID-19 - it is like looking into a can of worms.

I'm NOT disinvesting in the US and US companies but damn, I'm simply trying to cover my ass.

Oh, BTW, the kid is gonna get reelected this November. The four trustees on our Township Board ran unopposed - from either side of the aisle. feh. We've had a balanced budget for around 15 years in spite of falling tax revenues and revenue sharing from the state; we get along; and, normally (without the virus) there are flowers on the bridges. duh. Government can work.

and so it goes,

peace and flatten the GD curve,

rono

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  • dollar sinking, you figure, eh? I was just reading from another link a reference to a "liquidity meth lab." Funny, but alarming.
  • edited July 2020
    Good luck @rono. I’ve played with PRELX a couple times in the past and it didn’t end well. But your timing is likely far better.
  • Curious but only because I don't see foreign positions offering better refuge. What might you be looking at?
  • Howdy folks,

    The foreign countries have dealt with COVID-19 and we have not. Their economies will reflect this in the coming months - and alas, so will ours. Next winter is starting to look more and more like the Dark Ages - here in the states. Europe and Asia have already figured this out and we're dealing with the Stars and Bars.

    America will get beyond this but it's not going to be for a while. Cripes, there won't be any fall sports until the fall of 2021.

    And the only solution being offered is QE on steroids [are there any left or did the Admin buy them all up?].

    Now how in God's name do you figure the dollar is going to like all this?

    Lastly, on a more sober note, I'm moving money overseas ON THE MARGIN. This is a MINOR strategic move in keeping with my play in the metals.

    and so it goes,

    peace,

    rono
  • @rono -- interesting perspective. I think we are continuing to screw the pooch on this, and am 30/70 on us having a vaccine by Dec 31. If one exists by then, it could well be from outside the US. I think it's going to be uglier here at home than overseas. I'm putting more to cash and global sovereigns.
  • edited July 2020
    200,000 projected Covid deaths in U.S. and estimates are rising. Where can U.S. apply for foreign assistance? Something like the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe after WW II - only in reverse.
    If you haven’t looked at Michigan roads lately ....
  • Hank said "200,000 projected Covid deaths in U.S. and estimates are rising. Where can U.S. apply for foreign assistance? "

    I believe that the answer might well be nowhere as dear leader proclaimed his intent to withdraw from the WHO. Apparently the fact that not everything, good will, can be bought no matter how much money you have.
  • Howdy folks,

    Hank - ouch. [rono being MDOT retiree]. ;-) ALL of our infrastructure has crumbled because the legislature has continued to cut taxes. Now that they're spending real money go for a $5 T rebuild America plan and put people to work. Let the states manage it as they normally do.

    It's not a handout and it is an investment in America. Hell, 90% of people would rather work.

    It's called demand side economics. Raising and indexing the minimum wage. Universal healthcare and education. All of these would add enormously to the aggregate demand..

    This really isn't rocket science for decision makers that aren't being bribed.

    rono

    please note my township is floating a 3 mil tax increase for fire and EMS. We chose November 2020, 2 years ago because it would have the largest turnout. This way we'd see if the residents want to pay or not for the level of service they're going to receive.

    Trustee rono
  • edited July 2020
    The virus will run through even though we tried everything and not many folks compliance with the CDC guidelines. Its American norm to socialized/ engaged in dairy activities with friends, open up restaurants, protests/rallies, engage in beaches/lakes activities across USA july4th, going to work, don't comply with masks ideas, etc .

    We are not like Russian nor China where we can forced mandated quarantined/locked downs. In those countries you may be put in jails if you don't comply. Herd immunity is maybe the new norms because we dont comply. Think most folks may need to hunkered up, fall and winter 2020 maybe bad because of influenza and covid19 double team. Most influ vaccines are only 10-20% effective; covid19 vacc may follow same patterns.

    Having said that maybe good term to go more stocks if you think long term and not near retirement. In 5 years we won't even remember what is covid19...but If I was retired probably 50-60% bonds, 20s% cd and 20s% stocks...hate to loose all harsh earned monies in this environment. Think what Mr. Rono do is absolutely correct, playing very little in EM but I suspect its a very small % of portfolio

    We did add more gld and slv last wk

    One bond turned over/called yesterday and we transferred all those funds into vanguard star, vpccx and Vanguard2045

  • edited July 2020
    “we tried everything ... “

    Huh?

    True, some brave Governors like Michigan’s Whitmer followed the early CDC advice and imposed stringent lockdowns & closings - only to be confronted by gun-toting lawbreaking Trump supporters hell-bent on “liberating Michigan” as Trump instructed.

    But at the highest levels of government we’ve tried nothing to curtail the spread of the virus. Quite the opposite, our leader has ridiculed folks wearing masks and lied about the seriousness and true extent of the pandemic. And he’s encouraged his followers to follow his ignorant example and to ignore the advice of even his own health experts.

    “Tried everything”? Give me a break.
  • edited July 2020
    @_Hank ..yes sir should be *almost everything*.. I do agree with masks...but not many folks are convinced/completely comply with masks ideas. Many people i know keep doing what they want and were doing previously.

    Even with the rolled back and reopenings after 4 wks, covid-19 will run rampage again. May need to quaratine shut down few more wks et and protect the most vulnerable population
  • @rono Apologizes for the thread drift.

    @johnN
    Most influ vaccines are only 10-20% effective
    Please provide data links.
  • edited July 2020
    https://www.aafp.org/news/health-of-the-public/20200226interimfluve.html

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/2017-2018.html

    Last year was excellence 37-47%,


    One family physician told me 20s%effective 2019 and 18% 2018...should have find sources before referring words of mouth

    In reality prob high 20s_50s% effective
    dependence on age group and type. One year I forgot which year was only low 20% effective many patients decided against vaccination next year was not a good idea
  • @rono: "please note my township is floating a 3 mil tax increase for fire and EMS. We chose November 2020, 2 years ago because it would have the largest turnout. This way we'd see if the residents want to pay or not for the level of service they're going to receive."
    I believe you should have put it on the ballot 3 years ago . That way it would be okayed this year!! That's the way it works in my area. Keep pushing until it passes.

    Good luck on your float, Derf
  • >> should have find sources before referring words of mouth

    for sure
  • Most influ vaccines are only 10-20% effective; covid19 vacc may follow same patterns.Why should SARS-CoV-2 be analogized with various strains of influenza? Consider some of the differences.
    There are a number of reasons why flu vaccine effectiveness against influenza A(H3N2) viruses may be lower [than against other influenza viruses].
    1. While all influenza viruses undergo frequent genetic changes, the changes that have occurred in influenza A(H3N2) viruses have more frequently resulted in differences between the virus components of the flu vaccine and circulating influenza viruses (i.e., antigenic change) compared with influenza A(H1N1) and influenza B viruses. That means that between the time when the composition of the flu vaccine is recommended and the flu vaccine is delivered, H3N2 viruses are more likely than H1N1 or influenza B viruses to have changed in ways that could impact how well the flu vaccine works.
    2. Growth in eggs is part of the production process for most seasonal flu vaccines. While all influenza viruses undergo changes when they are grown in eggs, changes in influenza A(H3N2) viruses tend to be more likely to result in antigenic changes compared with changes in other influenza viruses. These so-called “egg-adapted changes” are present in vaccine viruses recommended for use in vaccine production and may reduce their potential effectiveness against circulating influenza viruses. Other vaccine production technologies, e.g., cell-based vaccine production or recombinant flu vaccines, circumvent this shortcoming
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm#why_flu_vax_less_effective_against_H3N2

    Neither of these would seem to apply to a COVID-19 vaccine. So ISTM that guesstimating based on influenza vaccine attributes is a futile endeavor.

    The virus has shown itself to mutate slowly, generally in unsuccessful ways. Though one mutation, G614, did make it 10x as contagious as the original Asian D614 strain. It is this European strain that has been making its way throughout most of the US.

    As near as I can tell, traditional production of vaccines using eggs is not even an Operation Warp Speed finalist: "'There’s no sort of old-style technology in this mix,' [former FDA commissioner] Gottleib said. “I’m surprised that either Sanofi or Novavax, someone who is developing [a vaccine using] an older approach … wasn’t selected. '”
    https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/sanofi-chose-a-proven-program-over-speed-its-covid-19-vaccine-hunt-ceo-says

    If one is still going to analogize with influenza vaccines, it would seem better at least to start with higher effectiveness figures. "While vaccine effectiveness (VE) can vary, recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine." That is, when the virus doesn't mutate away from the vaccine.
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

  • A significant amount of time is wasted on this forum because one individual frequently posts what amounts to misleading crap. This garbage then requires the time of others to analyze and document that it is basically "fake news", to use a favorite comment of our fake president.

    Posts of this nature on other media such as Twitter and Facebook, frequently unchallenged and endlessly repeated by equally ignorant viewers, are causing much of the damage that this country suffers, either because the original poster is too lazy to properly document the facts, or just doesn't care because he likes the "thrill" of seeing his name out there.

    Pathetic. Stern note to follow.
  • +1

    I hope you know that old editors' telegram (meaning it was to the ed)

    FUCK YOU
    STRONG LETTER TO FOLLOW
  • rono said:

    Howdy folks,

    This past Friday I started to 'slowly' move money overseas. Major accounts are at TRP and I moved from Treasuries cash to PRELX. It seemed to be the most non-US cash type account available there. If anyone has a better suggestion, I'm all ears.

    I cannot envision any future scenario where this ends well. Powell and friends have done a great job dealing with their side of the problem but the disfunction in Washington and looming fall election in the face of the Second Wave of COVID-19 - it is like looking into a can of worms.

    I'm NOT disinvesting in the US and US companies but damn, I'm simply trying to cover my ass.

    Oh, BTW, the kid is gonna get reelected this November. The four trustees on our Township Board ran unopposed - from either side of the aisle. feh. We've had a balanced budget for around 15 years in spite of falling tax revenues and revenue sharing from the state; we get along; and, normally (without the virus) there are flowers on the bridges. duh. Government can work.

    and so it goes,

    peace and flatten the GD curve,

    rono

    Don't know what you're doing, but this has been a great buying opportunity since March. A no brainer. Blood in the street, right?
  • ...Well, I'd say it WAS a great buying opportunity. Market's come back amazingly, thanks to the Fed's "Liquidity Meth Lab."
  • edited July 2020
    @Starchild,

    You need to look at the fund @rono moved into. It’s not an equity fund. It’s a local currency (unhedged) emerging markets bond fund. A very dicey proposition. So, while equities may have been a great buy in March, the dollar was still rising. So it wasn’t a good time to move to foreign currencies. Two different investments. Plus, if you know @rono’s investment history, he owns enough gold and miners to buy both of us - twice over. GDX +51% past 13 weeks / OPGSX +55% same period. YTD numbers on those are similar.

    Also - a gross oversimplification to reference March or any other time as “no brainer.” Only with 4 months now elapsed could one make such an audacious assertion. A lot of smart investors here. Some were buying in March and some were frozen like deer in the headlights. But I do not recall anyone referencing that period at the time as a “no-brainer.” My brain was working just fine. I assume yours was.
  • Howdy folks,

    Hi Derf. Hope you're doing well. Thanks for the kind words. We conducted a community survey in Jan of 2019 and the peeps were in favor of the millage 60/40. We have the lowest taxes in Mid-Michigan and are the only township around without a supplemental millage. We talked long and hard and all agreed to go ahead. We WANT the input from as many of our residents as possible and that's why November 3, 2020 is the nut. We're already looking at a record turnout. I'll keep you informed but I'm cautiously optimistic.

    take care and stay safe,

    rono
  • Howdy folks,

    @starchild . Indeed, there has been a great buying opportunity since the market crashed. duh, I thought that was the way it worked. When stocks go down you buy and when they go up you sell.

    The problem has been and still is - just WTF are you buying. There are a lot of great companies that are doing well and will continue to do well. I love them and own a few. However, there are also a lot of dead rats that fill the index funds and all the equity funds that most people drool over. Sorry but I don't want to own garbage. You can buy all the airlines, casinos and cruise lines you want but me? Thanks No. Will they eventually recover? Sure. But when? I have no interest in having dead money sitting.

    Cripes, I've been buying equities since this started but I have my positions and am still looking to cover my ass.

    You really have to come back down off the Fed Liquidity High and get a grip of what is going on with the real economy. Sooner or later, the actual reality of the situation is going to catch up with the market and I don't see that ending well. If you do, go long and stay long.

    and so it goes,

    peace,

    rono
  • rono said:

    Howdy folks,

    @starchild . Indeed, there has been a great buying opportunity since the market crashed. duh, I thought that was the way it worked. When stocks go down you buy and when they go up you sell.

    The problem has been and still is - just WTF are you buying. There are a lot of great companies that are doing well and will continue to do well. I love them and own a few. However, there are also a lot of dead rats that fill the index funds and all the equity funds that most people drool over. Sorry but I don't want to own garbage. You can buy all the airlines, casinos and cruise lines you want but me? Thanks No. Will they eventually recover? Sure. But when? I have no interest in having dead money sitting.

    Cripes, I've been buying equities since this started but I have my positions and am still looking to cover my ass.

    You really have to come back down off the Fed Liquidity High and get a grip of what is going on with the real economy. Sooner or later, the actual reality of the situation is going to catch up with the market and I don't see that ending well. If you do, go long and stay long.

    and so it goes,

    peace,

    rono

    Well put Rono!
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