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In Secret Testimony, Republicans Derided Trump’s Stolen Election Claims

Following are excerpts from a current report in The New York Times:

The testimony, part of the derailed Georgia election interference case, makes clear how dismissive some senior Republicans were of claims of widespread fraud in the 2020 election.
Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina found President Trump’s claims of election fraud in 2020 “unnerving.” Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia described Mr. Trump’s efforts to get his state’s lawmakers to intervene a “fruitless exercise.” David Ralston, a former speaker of the Georgia House of Representatives, called the plan to create slates of fake pro-Trump electors in states he had lost “the craziest thing I ever heard.”

Transcripts of secret grand jury testimony from the Georgia election interference case against Mr. Trump and his allies, obtained this week by The New York Times, show just how alarmed and exasperated a number of senior Republicans felt about the president’s efforts to overturn an American presidential election. The testimony, given in 2022, is emerging at a time when Mr. Trump is again raising complaints about his 2020 defeat and voicing regret that he did not order the National Guard to seize voting machines after the election.

He has also said he wanted to “lead a movement” to ban voting machines and mail-in ballots in time for the midterm elections this year.

The transcripts were part of the investigative file in the case brought by Fani T. Willis, the district attorney in Fulton County, Ga., who obtained indictments of Mr. Trump and 18 of his allies on election interference charges in 2023. The case was dismissed in November after Ms. Willis was removed from prosecuting the case.

Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina called the Trump campaign’s plan to enlist fake electors in swing states where the president had lost the election “weird — I don’t know what to tell you, just weird.” He attributed Mr. Trump’s 2020 defeat in Arizona not to fraud, as Mr. Trump and his allies claimed, but rather to Mr. Trump’s bashing of the state’s longtime senator, John McCain.

Chris Carr, the state attorney general, said in his testimony that in a call with Mr. Trump after the 2020 election, the president urged him to stop lobbying other state attorneys general against joining a lawsuit filed by Ken Paxton, the attorney general of Texas. Mr. Paxton had filed the suit against Georgia and three other swing states, asking the U.S. Supreme Court to stop the four states from casting their electoral votes for Joseph R. Biden Jr. and to extend the deadline for certification of presidential electors. The court ultimately rejected the suit.

Mr. Carr testified that he believed the Texas suit to be “legally, factually and constitutionally wrong,” but he told the president that he was not reaching out to his fellow attorneys general about the matter. Mr. Carr and Mr. Kemp did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Tuesday, and Mr. Graham’s office had no immediate comment.
Comment:   Carr, Kemp and Graham don't seem anxious to even remember any of this, do they?

Comments

  • I wouldn't hold out hope that these weaklings stand up to the next wave of election lies, in defense of democracy. It would be too much to ask them to uphold their vows.

    trump and 18 allies performed traitorous acts and went unpunished.
  • Even after he's impeached a 3rd time (hopefully,) there aren't enough Repugnants who will vote to convict him.
  • edited 9:10AM
    Whatever they do in 'secret' is of no use to me or anyone else. They took an oath of office and defied it from the start. They are less than useless with no sense of morality or ethics. They all belong in jail.
  • 10-4 on that.
  • Roger, Wilco.
  • edited 11:57AM
    "Even after he's impeached a 3rd time (hopefully,) there aren't enough Repugnants who will vote to convict him." Well, even without Republicans it seems numerically possible:

    AI: "The impeachment process involves two separate steps within the U.S. Congress, each with its own voting threshold specified in the Constitution:
    Impeachment (House of Representatives): The House of Representatives brings formal charges, known as "articles of impeachment," by a simple majority vote (more than 50%) of the members present and voting. This is analogous to a grand jury indictment in a criminal case.
    Conviction and Removal (Senate): If the House votes to impeach, a trial is held in the Senate. A conviction that results in the president's removal from office requires a two-thirds majority vote of the Senators present. With all 100 senators present, this means at least 67 votes are required for removal. "

    Will our electorate react strongly enough in November to set the stage? Will Trump's departure be an improvement, unless impeachment of J.D. Vance and numerous cabinet members face the same fate?
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