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Nobody Planned This, Nobody Expected It...Dealing with Risk

Risk does not like prophets. It’s not even fond of historians. You can plan for every risk except the things that are too crazy to cross your mind. And those crazy things do the most harm, because they happen more often than you think and you have no plan for how to deal with them.

Risk in most professions is managed by studying what’s common. Maybe 10 topics and their solutions, said slightly differently, dominate business and investing books.

The problem is that historical risks you can study are dwarfed by risks you actually experience. There are a zillion treacherous risks, but most on their own are not common enough to take seriously or collect data on. Like mice destroying tanks.
Article by Morgan Housel:
collaborativefund.com/blog/nobody-planned-this-nobody-expected-it/

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    One day residents are living peacefully in their quiet neighborhood. The next day all hell breaks loose as Mother Earth rises from the depths threatening their homes. How many of these folks have ““volcano insurance” ?
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/19/hawaii-lava-40-homes-kilauea-volcano-eruption

    “Grand Canyon” is a great film from the early ’90s which puts into perspective the many levels of “risk” or “danger” we encounter during a lifetime - and does so in a highly entertaining way. Relationship to investing? It’s the reason I diversify broadly among both asset classes and managers.
  • Great film. Danny Glover, Steve Martin is his first dramatic role, if I recall correctly.
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101969/?ref_=nv_sr_1
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  • hank said:

    One day residents are living peacefully in their quiet neighborhood. The next day all hell breaks loose as Mother Earth rises from the depths threatening their homes. How many of these folks have ““volcano insurance” ?
    ... Relationship to investing? It’s the reason I diversify broadly among both asset classes and managers.

    Interesting juxtaposition. Many people's largest asset is their home. How does one diversify that asset?

    As you said, people don't insure against very rare events. Does volcano insurance even exist? Even when insurance is available, few people often buy it. How many people in California have earthquake insurance? Too expensive. Flood insurance? Not nearly as expensive, but (at least until recently) underappreciated. Do people buy replacement value insurance or just minimum homeowners'?

    One way to avoid the problem of diversifying (or insuring) one's home is not to own at all but to rent instead. Plusses and minuses with that.

    Or instead of avoiding the asset class (home), or insuring against a wide variety of risks, one can try to reduce the known risks (similar idea to buying a "widows and orphans" stock). Avoid areas with a history of earthquakes or near known fault lines, avoid areas with a history of volcanic activity, avoid tornado alley, avoid flood zones (FEMA is continually updating its 500 year risk zones), avoid coastal areas prone to severe hurricanes, avoid localized areas above a former lake or landfill, etc.

    If you own one of the dozen or so homes in the country that successfully avoid all these hazzards and risks, congratulations:-)

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    @ Maurice - Not to put too fine a point on it, but “close to” is pretty relative. Watching the network news last evening (during which the volcano competed with a school shooting and Royal wedding for coverage) I heard of at least 11 fissures that erupted miles from the volcano in what had been open ground. A mountain of lava suddenly spewing from nowhere it seemed to startled residents.

    Now, you and I know the area was / is geologically active and prone to this. Agree the folks who built homes in the vicinity were flirting with chance (or Mother Luck as you would have it). Nonetheless, the shock on one resident’s face was undeniable. “Never in a million years did I dream this might happen” he kept repeating.

    So by your (I think somewhat sanctimonious criterion) no one in his right mind would ever build a home in Sanfransisco, prone to earthquakes, or in the Florida Keys, prone to hurricanes, or along the New England coastline, prone to storm erosion and flood damage.

    BINGO - Here’s a great video showing what’s going on.


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    ALSO - “Why you need volcano insurance”: https://www.trustedchoice.com/catastrophe-insurance/all/volcano-coverage/

    States that have active volcanoes:
    Alaska
    California
    Hawaii
    Oregon
    Washington
    Wyoming

    States that have dormant or extinct volcanoes:
    Arizona
    Colorado
    Idaho
    Mississippi
    Missouri
    Nevada
    New Hampshire
    New Mexico
    South Dakota
    Texas
    Utah
    Virginia
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    Matter of fact ... Let’s clear everyone out of NYC as well! :)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_hurricanes
  • The nice thing about living in New Mexico, at least in the Middle Rio Grande area such as Albuquerque is no real threat from volcanos, hurricanes, tornados, snow or weather extremes. Occasionally we get a little snow which melts as it hits the ground, but can ski 2 hours away.
    . We are prone to drought, which we are in right now, its high desert here. Living a mile high and without summers above 100, where winters are 50ish has its charms. Of course this NY transplant has to deal with no great pizza or seafood, but thats what the airport is there for, to take me to the ocean or NY when I need.
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  • "we'll buy you out (at what we think it is worth) and convert the beachfront property to public land."

    • "but I guess in the socialist mind, spending someone else's money is hardwired."

    Say what?
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    Ya got me seeing double OJ.:)

    I don’t have any further thoughts except to say from experience most homeowners here in Michigan try and avoid flood insurance. And even land “high & dry” can become suseptable if near a stream and when we have big spring runoffs. The lenders go by the published FEMA flood zones (which seem to be tightening) in whether they require flood insurance at time of closing and they insert a clause that if FEMA moves you into a designated flood zone at any time, you must purchase flood insurance. I hear it’s very expensive.

    During the last refi I nearly backed out on account of that clause. But decided to go ahead with it because in a pinch I could afford to pay off the relatively small balance. What I did resent (and still do) is that the clause was absent from the disclosure papers they provided me to read over a few days in advance. Sprung it at the last minute during closing. Don’t know how banks can get away with that crap.
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    @Maurice, Wow. That’s good to know. Some of the neighbors do have issues, but my place hasn’t been endangered in over 40 years - nor do I expect it to be. Like you say, it’s very much related to elevation. Here the issue is what we euphemistically term “the wetlands”. Relative elevation to them means everything.

    Thank you for a clear explanation of how to confront the issue should it ever arise.
  • @hank- After the last ruinous Russian River flood some twenty years ago we tore down the old house and built a new one. Our flood insurance now consists of nine twenty-foot high x 3-foot diameter cement pylons holding up the new house. FEMA evidently approved of the concept- for years they had a picture of the new place on their website labelled as "properly mitigated flood-plain construction". I guess they were happy that they wouldn't have to pay any claims on it.

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  • @Old_Joe. That sounds near genius. Whatever it takes!
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