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Bernie Sanders possibly running against President Trump is starting to scare investors: strategist
Biden + AOC or clinton 2020!! Super Tues will give lots answers/make a break for Biden, We strongly voted for Pres Biden couple of days ago in great states of Texas, he will take 2020 from Trump by 2 points in Austin/Tx 2020
Bloomberg has stated that he's not running against any of the other Dem. candidates, he's running vs. the Trumpster. I'm with Warren. Let's not have people buying a candidacy or the WH. I'm weary of the status quo among the Demublicans. (sic.) Since the days of Uncle Bill ("what does 'is' mean?") the Party has followed the Repugnants to the Right, so that generally speaking, the Dems. look like moderate Eisenhower Republicans. I've read elsewhere that people want a "likable" candidate--- therefore, not Bernie. What's not to like? He stands up for the ordinary guy. His insurgency is becoming the MAINSTREAM. I'm in the minority of "older" people who are for Bernie. I can't see what everyone's afraid of. Not many of us have NOT already drunk the Kool-Aid, I suppose.
@LewisBraham- Let us fervently hope that the standards of the Democratic Party have not yet been lowered to the point where they are comparable to those of the GOP.
The Green Party vote (assuming they would have voted Dem.) was enough to allow Trump to win in Michigan. Total votes = 4,547,998; difference = 11,612 !!! Green Party total = 50,700.
Nope to Bloomberg as an independent. I do believe that opens the door for Trump.
@catch22 Yes, but Bloomberg is pretty far from a Green Party style candidate. I wonder if he wouldn't siphon off as many votes from the GOP as he does Dems in the election running as an independent. It would be a real wild card in my view.
@Crash You have no argument with me on that Dem narrative. All true.
I for one would love to see Buttigieg be the Democratic VP candidate. If nothing else it would offset the old-fart look the Dems will surely have. He was too inexperienced to shine in this election.
@MikeM I think I like that idea! But I could see that he won't be accepted and therefore, voted for, in the religiously ignorant South. It could take away votes that the Presidential candidate would have taken. Mind you, I don't say "religiously crazy." Just "religiously ignorant." And as we all know, "you can't fix stoopid."
I was with @MikeM and voted absentee in MI prior to the latest withdrawals. Reminds me of my vote for Jerry Brown in 1992. Today we learned that voters have until Mar 7 to rescind their early votes by asking the local clerk for another ballot to replace the "spoiled" one. It's not just my winter depression that is adversely affecting my mood. It's also the remaining candidates.
@Crash - I'm as liberal as they come but I just cannot do Bernie. First, he's no democrat except in name He only claimed to be one to run for president in a party where he thought he stood a chance. At best he's an independent but I'm not sure that even fits. Also don't forget he recently proclaimed to be running against both the two major parties in this election.
Second, I don't believe he is for the little guy, he's for Bernie. This campaign isn't about them it's about what he wants. He promises what they want to hear knowing full well that none of it is going to happen under his leadership. Too bad he doesn't have a pragmatic position or platform anywhere in sight. Disagree with him and he just shouts louder and louder. Although some of the things he wants would be great in a perfect world most of them don't stand a chance in the real one. He never gives an answer as to how we are going to be able to support and pay for any of them. It's either his way or the highway (remind you of anyone) and I just don't see the country getting behind a revolution. The majority of people want moderation and solutions. We've already had 12 years of getting nowhere on the major concerns in this country. Possibly we'll get there over time but not in the short run. If President Obama couldn't get there Bernie certainly has no chance.
Third, despite being around for a long time as a senator he has no major or even minor accomplishments to point to. What does that tell you about his negotiating style, his chances at finding common ground. Doesn't look good from my soapbox at all.
Lastly I don't view Bloomberg as buying this election but rather an attempt to take down 45 and buy this country's dignity back again. If he's part of the package then so be it. He has as much if not more experience at running the show than any of the current crop of candidates and I believe he has a more centrist, doable path forward than any of them have been able to demonstrate so far. He has faults like all of them but at least he owns them and has pledged to support whoever the nominee is. He's not my ideal choice but I think he has the best shot amongst those still left in the running.
Apart from Bernie: my 2nd choice is Joe. I know him to be a man of character, and religiously devout in a proper way: his faith leads him outward, to be true to the "social gospel." Social justice. Which is what it's all about, anyhow.
@Old_Joe As opposed to the best the GOP currently has to offer?
Bill Weld, former Mass. Governor. I was not in Massachusetts for those years. But Bill Weld DOES own a conscience, unlike the Trumpster, and he's done other stuff, too, that prove he can take charge and both behave like an intelligent human being AND get (the right) things done.
Second, I don't believe he is for the little guy, he's for Bernie.
Bernie's been an activist his entire life. It's hard not to think of him as for the little guy. The questions I think are how electable is he and how effective has he been and will he be at accomplishing his goals? I don't question his general integrity as a candidate. I think he's serious about his goals and means mostly what he says. It's hard for me to believe the GOP will give him even a millimeter of control should he happen to be elected. He'll be savaged and sabotaged constantly.
@LewisBraham +1. Which is why I hope against hope that the Senate flips--- no matter WHO the Dem might be who gets elected. I'm confident that intelligent Repubs who DO own a conscience will have seen enough of the tRumpster. It is by now a minor doctrine in political logic that a great many Independents and "populists" went for tRump. I still wonder if that explains the tRump "win." ("Win" in quotes, of course.) What I know as "populism" is a term associated with the likes of Robt. LaFollette of Wisconsin. The policies he promoted are the exact opposite of the sort of "populism" that the talking heads on tv and the newspapers ascribed to the Great Orange Abortion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._La_Follette
Policies aside (which I disagree w/Bernie on many of them) one of my rules of thumb for presidential candidates is would I want to have a beer with them -- Bernie, sure. George W? Sure. Biden? Yes. Bloomberg? Sure. Ryan and Romney? Yup. Even perhaps Cheney back in the day. I'm sure with all of them we could have an interesting discussion even if we disagreed on most things. But the current GOP occupant in the WH? I wouldn't give him the time of day b/c he is a vapid zero of intellect, empathy, and worldliness ... you'd have a more interesting beer chat with a wall that's got paint waiting to dry on it.
Speaking of Bernie --- remember in 2016 when he was railing against the "millionaires and billionaires" as bad people? Notice this time he's only attacking the "billionaires" .... so did the "millionaires" suddenly become amazing people or did Bernie suddenly find himself in that class after rising to national prominence? Interesting.
I also agree w/Lewis and Crash about flipping the Senate. Hate to say it, but in some ways I think that's more important than who is president, actually.
Second, I don't believe he is for the little guy, he's for Bernie.
Bernie's been an activist his entire life. It's hard not to think of him as for the little guy. The questions I think are how electable is he and how effective has he been and will he be at accomplishing his goals? I don't question his general integrity as a candidate. I think he's serious about his goals and means mostly what he says. It's hard for me to believe the GOP will give him even a millimeter of control should he happen to be elected. He'll be savaged and sabotaged constantly.
Speaking of Bernie --- remember in 2016 when he was railing against the "millionaires and billionaires" as bad people? Notice this time he's only attacking the "billionaires" .... so did the "millionaires" suddenly become amazing people or did Bernie suddenly find himself in that class after rising to national prominence? Interesting.
Have you heard of Kjeld Kirk Kristiansen? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kjeld_Kirk_Kristiansen Probably not. But I bet you've heard of the toy company he ran called Lego. He is the thrid richest citizen in Denmark, worth an estimated $4.7 billion. Denmark is the kind of European socialist country that has some of the features in the policies Bernie is talking about such as national centralized healthcare for all citizens. Its top income tax rate is 56%: https://tradingeconomics.com/denmark/personal-income-tax-rate A person can still run a business and become a millionaire or billionaire in any of these countries with socialized medicine and education. In Germany, which has its own billionaires and socialized medicine, the top tax rate is 45%. There are just less wealth extremes and more of a social safety net in these countries than we have in the U.S. The idea that any of the policies Bernie is proposing will get rid of rich people simply isn't true. The fact that Bernie is himself now a millionaire does not contradict any of the ideas he's proposing. Enlightened rich people believe in higher taxation. In fact, they recognize that too much income inequality could lead to political instabiliy, i.e., violence and threaten their wealth.
@LewisBraham - activist, yes, but he shows no middle ground and I have a hard time believing that the electorate will go for that. One might argue that Warren is an activist as well and she's arguably smarter, more capable and accomplished than he can hope to be yet she gets little if any traction whatsoever. I wonder why that is. But yes if elected he will go nowhere. On that we agree. Laudable goals but no vision on how to implement them. Just heavy-handed demands.
@rforno - I'd rather sip scotch with Warren or Bloomberg than have a beer with Bernie. I just don't feel that he's genuine. I wouldn't waste my spit on 45, Ryan or Cheney.
@Mark The idea that Sanders won't compromise and there's no middle ground for him is a myth: https://nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-image-left-wing-purist-belied-record-compromise-n1143956 Yet I agree that Warren is probably smarter than him and actually frightens Wall Street more in some respects because she understands very well how the securities' system works and knows what's wrong with it and where the bodies are buried. One reason I think she's gotten little traction is she's waffled too much on healthcare and refused to acknowledge that taxes on the middle class would need to go up to pay for it. Sanders is very upfront about taxes needing to go up to pay for universal healthcare and that ultimately the average American who spends more per capita on our private healthcare system than citizens of any other developed nation will save money despite the tax hike.
Well I stand partially corrected, however three instances hardly dents the perceived mold. In this particular election I'd prefer that the democrats retake the senate amongst the available outcomes but that may be a mighty stretch.
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Super Tues will give lots answers/make a break for Biden,
We strongly voted for Pres Biden couple of days ago in great states of Texas, he will take 2020 from Trump by 2 points in Austin/Tx 2020
gop best offers maybe Bloomberg
The Green Party vote (assuming they would have voted Dem.) was enough to allow Trump to win in Michigan. Total votes = 4,547,998; difference = 11,612 !!! Green Party total = 50,700.
Nope to Bloomberg as an independent. I do believe that opens the door for Trump.
@Crash You have no argument with me on that Dem narrative. All true.
Second, I don't believe he is for the little guy, he's for Bernie. This campaign isn't about them it's about what he wants. He promises what they want to hear knowing full well that none of it is going to happen under his leadership. Too bad he doesn't have a pragmatic position or platform anywhere in sight. Disagree with him and he just shouts louder and louder. Although some of the things he wants would be great in a perfect world most of them don't stand a chance in the real one. He never gives an answer as to how we are going to be able to support and pay for any of them. It's either his way or the highway (remind you of anyone) and I just don't see the country getting behind a revolution. The majority of people want moderation and solutions. We've already had 12 years of getting nowhere on the major concerns in this country. Possibly we'll get there over time but not in the short run. If President Obama couldn't get there Bernie certainly has no chance.
Third, despite being around for a long time as a senator he has no major or even minor accomplishments to point to. What does that tell you about his negotiating style, his chances at finding common ground. Doesn't look good from my soapbox at all.
Lastly I don't view Bloomberg as buying this election but rather an attempt to take down 45 and buy this country's dignity back again. If he's part of the package then so be it. He has as much if not more experience at running the show than any of the current crop of candidates and I believe he has a more centrist, doable path forward than any of them have been able to demonstrate so far. He has faults like all of them but at least he owns them and has pledged to support whoever the nominee is. He's not my ideal choice but I think he has the best shot amongst those still left in the running.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._La_Follette
Policies aside (which I disagree w/Bernie on many of them) one of my rules of thumb for presidential candidates is would I want to have a beer with them -- Bernie, sure. George W? Sure. Biden? Yes. Bloomberg? Sure. Ryan and Romney? Yup. Even perhaps Cheney back in the day. I'm sure with all of them we could have an interesting discussion even if we disagreed on most things. But the current GOP occupant in the WH? I wouldn't give him the time of day b/c he is a vapid zero of intellect, empathy, and worldliness ... you'd have a more interesting beer chat with a wall that's got paint waiting to dry on it.
Speaking of Bernie --- remember in 2016 when he was railing against the "millionaires and billionaires" as bad people? Notice this time he's only attacking the "billionaires" .... so did the "millionaires" suddenly become amazing people or did Bernie suddenly find himself in that class after rising to national prominence? Interesting.
I also agree w/Lewis and Crash about flipping the Senate. Hate to say it, but in some ways I think that's more important than who is president, actually.
A person can still run a business and become a millionaire or billionaire in any of these countries with socialized medicine and education. In Germany, which has its own billionaires and socialized medicine, the top tax rate is 45%. There are just less wealth extremes and more of a social safety net in these countries than we have in the U.S. The idea that any of the policies Bernie is proposing will get rid of rich people simply isn't true. The fact that Bernie is himself now a millionaire does not contradict any of the ideas he's proposing. Enlightened rich people believe in higher taxation. In fact, they recognize that too much income inequality could lead to political instabiliy, i.e., violence and threaten their wealth.
@rforno - I'd rather sip scotch with Warren or Bloomberg than have a beer with Bernie. I just don't feel that he's genuine. I wouldn't waste my spit on 45, Ryan or Cheney.
Yet I agree that Warren is probably smarter than him and actually frightens Wall Street more in some respects because she understands very well how the securities' system works and knows what's wrong with it and where the bodies are buried. One reason I think she's gotten little traction is she's waffled too much on healthcare and refused to acknowledge that taxes on the middle class would need to go up to pay for it. Sanders is very upfront about taxes needing to go up to pay for universal healthcare and that ultimately the average American who spends more per capita on our private healthcare system than citizens of any other developed nation will save money despite the tax hike.