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Many arguments that Charlie Kirk was more than happy to throw Jews under the bus to gain traction for MAGA:
Jewish control conspiracies: On his podcast in 2023, Kirk accused Jews of controlling "not just the colleges—it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it," a sweeping claim that echoed long-standing conspiracy theories about Jewish power.
Blaming Jewish donors for "anti-whiteness": Kirk repeatedly claimed that Jewish donors were a primary source of funding for liberal and "anti-white" causes.
"Replacement theory" rhetoric: He has promoted "replacement theory," a fringe conspiracy theory that alleges Jews are trying to replace white Americans with nonwhite immigrants.
Blaming Jewish philanthropists for campus antisemitism: In 2023, after the October 7 Hamas attack, he claimed Jewish philanthropy funding American universities was "subsidizing your own demise by supporting institutions that breed Anti-Semites".
Jewish critics' analysis: Jewish commentators and outlets noted a tension between Kirk's pro-Israel stance and rhetoric that echoed antisemitic stereotypes. An opinion blog in The Times of Israel argued that "grief does not allow for toxic myth-making" and detailed instances that Jewish people found unsettling, even with his pro-Israel positions.
It is my opinion that Charlie Kirk had no use for Jews. He only saw Israel as necessary for biblical prophecy and the Second Coming. He was far from the only evangelical Christian to feel this way, in my opinion.
....And how many evangelical "Christians" are in MAGA? Yup...
What political talkers REALLY believe? I had a buddy who worked with a very famous right wing blow hard. He knew the guy very well. He told me the guy didn’t believe any of the right wing garbage he put out. He saw it as a way to get very wealthy. And very wealthy he became. Some of these guys are just in it for the money and aren’t true believers at all.
LarryB’s observations are clearly correct. Merely take a look at some of the leaders of the Republican Party. Sen Cancun, Sen Hawley, Secretary Rubio and others we’re all originally moderate Republicans, but when they realized the voting power of the MAGA movement, they all quickly shifted their positions to hard right Republican, so that they could assure themselves power and wealth by hitching onto the Donald Trump star. Kirk is also an example himself. Originally, he was a fiscal conservative with libertarian tendencies. As he stated to Wired magazine in 2018, he was quite dubious about Trump. But as he watched the MAGA movement grow, he quickly began to adopt far hard right views.
Remarkably, he positioned himself as a champion of free speech. At the same time, however, he told his followers that they should seek out and report the writing and speech of any liberal professors, school, teachers and public employees, so that they would be humiliated and fired. The irony of this intolerance escaped most of his followers, who bought into the free speech charade. Even now, his ardent followers have engaged in a concerted effort to seek out anyone who has published any comments that do not reflect appropriate sorrow at his death. They are once again seeking the termination of any professors, school teachers or public or private employees, and they have had a significant degree of success. The NYT has a long article which detailed these efforts. I am no longer a public employee, so I am not shy about saying that his speech was hateful, vile, racist, and anti Jew, but for any of you who remain in public employment, be aware that his free speech followers are making a concerted effort to terminate your employment if your comments do not reflect the required degree of sadness.
He's was just like Limbaugh, Murdoch and the rest, saw a way to make money by selling hate. Sad anyone loses their life over it but overall better for the USA.
\\ a man who created something called Professor Watchlist, School Board Watchlist, to name and frighten people from teaching, who advocated restrictions on what school teachers could teach, who called for — and there’s a clip you can see online — who called for the televised public executions, and he had a pretty broad category in mind. But what was really chilling was he wanted this to be required viewing for children. ...
It's pretty hard not to believe that about half of the citizens of the United States would have felt very comfortable in Germany in the 1930s. Simply substitute non-white for Jews and Gypsies.
And I really wonder if under the right circumstances this might be true of the people of almost any country.
At the moment Israel is pretty much doing unto the Palestinians what was done unto them by the Germans, and that's twice now, just in my lifetime. I's not possible for me to understand how any people who had this done to them have no problem doing pretty much the same thing all over again to another people.
How easy it is to forget the past and so this stuff all happens over again.
mrs. kirk 'doubles down' on turningpoint, losing no time for monetization of rightwing martyrdom , even the founder's. MAGA family values cut through paralyzing grief.
I never heard of Kirk prior to his recent death. I pay a fair bit of attention to domestic and international news, and so this lapse of mine indicates I need to watch Fox News more often to keep abreast of MAGA personalities. In any case, I came upon this day-old video about a debate between Charlie Kirk and Jasmine Crockett. It is one of many recent videos that showcase Crockett's talent for disarming and discrediting Republican leaders.
It seems to me rather strange to learn about this revelatory debate just now. Did it really take place, or are the creators of these videos being a bit too creative?
Please be very careful these days. Example: If you sign into Turning Point, to see what Kirk was about, you agree,by signing in, to allow them to track any website you ever visit forever. So all those millions of his followers are being tracked every day. If you go to RK, or Al Jazeera, or a porno site, Turning Point will know. They can also transmit this information to any outlet that they choose. I am sure the other conservative websites have similar provisions, which you may not know. The objective is to harm you, especially if you have not expressed sympathy for the death of Kirk, who, I repeat, was a vile despicable person who made millions by fomenting hate. Be very certain about the security of any websites you visit. Also remember that there are members of this very group who could very well decide to do you harm…
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It's pretty hard not to believe that about half of the citizens of the United States would have felt very comfortable in Germany in the 1930s. Simply substitute non-white for Jews and Gypsies.
And I really wonder if under the right circumstances this might be true of the people of almost any country.
At the moment Israel is pretty much doing unto the Palestinians what was done unto them by the Germans, and that's twice now, just in my lifetime. I's not possible for me to understand how any people who had this done to them have no problem doing pretty much the same thing all over again to another people.
How easy it is to forget the past and so this stuff all happens over again.
"Civilization". Sure thing.
Let's test the lie above.
Before World War II, there were about 9.5 million Jews in Europe. After the Holocaust, only around 3.8 million survived. The Germans killed approximately 6 million Jews—about 60%.
Did the Jews attack Germany? No. Did the Jews build tunnels, stockpile weapons, and kill or torture their own people? No. Did the Jews indoctrinate their children to hate Muslims and Christians? No. Did the Nazis burn, mutilate, rape, and murder innocent Jewish men, women, and children for years, deliberately? Yes. Did the Nazis warn Jews before they took them? of course not
Now, let’s look at Gaza.
How many Palestinians lived there? About 2 million. How many have died in the past two years? Around 64,000, or about 3%, according to multiple sources (example: PBS). How many Hamas militants were killed? Numbers vary, but at least 10,000—likely more. That means around 50,000 civilians. That's about 2.5%. How many Palestinians have been killed by Hamas, not Israel, over the years? Thousands. How many Palestinians have been used as human shields by Hamas? Thousands. How many years have Muslims been indoctrinated to hate Jews, Christians, and even other Muslims? Centuries. Did Hamas start the war by burning, mutilating, raping, and murdering innocent Jewish men, women, and children? Yes. Did Hamas fire thousands of rockets into Israel, kill 1,200 innocent people, and hide under hospitals, schools, and kindergartens? Yes. Did Hamas take over 250 hostages? Yes. Did Israel warn the Palestinians to leave before the attack and also help them? Yes. Who has been blocking their leave? Hamas has many times killed their own people. This is from years ago but still correct. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN1MkAGuVyY)
Finally, two simple questions:
If Israel declared it would never use its weapons again, what would happen? Millions of Jews would be burned, mutilated, raped, and killed.
If Muslims declared they would never use their weapons again, what would happen? Peace—just as it came after the Germans laid down their arms.
This is an easy lesson for deniers.
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I's not possible for me to understand how any people who had this done to them have no problem doing pretty much the same thing all over again to another people.
The only way for you to get it is if you live in CA and Mexicans have sent thousands of missiles into your neighborhood for years. Then I want to hear you saying, I'm OK with it. You are naive and clueless.
Muslims have been militant for centuries until this day. Look at Africa and Europe; they attack other Muslims. They attack India and the Philippines. This has nothing to do with Israel.
@FD1000 has a talent for hand-picking convenient numbers and factoids out of context. In this case, the CONTEXT, which is to say, the frame around the picture, is the ISRAELI OCCUPATION of Palestine since 1967. That's 58 years. Here are some other details: 58 years of occupation, checkpoints, restricted freedom of movement. Inability to just walk far enough to reach lemon or olive or watermelon groves in order to water them. Castle-like fortresses built by the Israeli occupiers, herding and straining workers and tourists one by one, through turnstiles. Requiring them to strip and wait in silence in isolated rooms. Having their luggage opened and contents poured out, and never re-packed.
Freeways running through Palestine (West Bank) which can be used only by Jewish Israelis, many of whom live in illegal settlements on land stolen from Palestinians. Then there is the Apartheid Wall, which does not follow the Green Line, but snakes its way into and out of Palestinian land. Roads destroyed in West Bank towns. Arbitrary arrest and detention of innocent Palestinians, not to mention shooting fatalities at the hands of the Israeli occupiers. Palestinian homes demolished on any pretext, particularly in East Jerusalem. Restrictive procedures and rules designed to make it so difficult to live there, that Palestinians, it is hoped by the Israelis, will decide to go. For example: home improvement work requires permits, which are never granted.
Israel and the illegal settlements grab more and more of the scarce potable water coming mostly from the Jordan River. I've been to the River. It's just a tickle, these days. (That was in 2004. It's worse, surely, today.)
Palestinian students commute from West Bank locations to school in Ramallah or elsewhere, but must take food enough from home for the whole week, M-F, with them. They can't take the chance of not being permitted by the Occupiers to return to Ramallah on Tues or Wed or Thurs, so, they bring sleeping bags and spend the overnights in the school library.
The Israelis occupied Gaza for a period, until 2005 or 2006. Then they required their own people to go. Now, they've turned it into dust. Together by arrangement with the Egyptians, the Israeli regime controls access into and out of Gaza. Gazans never could even control their own borders. (Thus, the tunnels.)
Israel sees itself as immune from any real consequences, and so they just bombed Doha, even though it's the Qatari gov't that's sponsoring peace talks. Both Dems and Reps are responsible for feeding Israel's killing and persecution machine. The Israeli Occupation force continues to find every conceivable pretext to maintain what it calls a buffer zone between northern Israel and Lebanon--- stealing Lebanese land, just like it stole the Golan from Syria.
Palestinians can't even conceive of going away on vacation, because someone else will be occupying their home when they get back. It might be a Jewish Israeli, or a Jew coming from anywhere else. 20% of Israel's population is Palestinian. They never left. But they can't get passports, because they're not Jewish. The Israeli regime treats both Muslims and Christians with equal doses of contempt.
...And this is to say nothing of the forced removal of Palestinians by armed Jewish paramilitaries prior to the 1948 declaration of independence, as well as destruction of Palestinian towns, back then.
@FD1000: Israel is responsible for the creation of Hamas. When one people treats another as Israel has treated the Palestinians for so long what do you think will eventually happen? The Palestinians were supposed to just sit there and take it forever?
Simply looking at what Israel has done to the inhabitants of Gaza provides the current definition of genocide. And our current government is completely complicit in this war crime.
How dare you say that all of this is a lie? Are we to believe you and Netanyahu or our own eyes?
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Remarkably, he positioned himself as a champion of free speech. At the same time, however, he told his followers that they should seek out and report the writing and speech of any liberal professors, school, teachers and public employees, so that they would be humiliated and fired. The irony of this intolerance escaped most of his followers, who bought into the free speech charade. Even now, his ardent followers have engaged in a concerted effort to seek out anyone who has published any comments that do not reflect appropriate sorrow at his death. They are once again seeking the termination of any professors, school teachers or public or private employees, and they have had a significant degree of success. The NYT has a long article which detailed these efforts. I am no longer a public employee, so I am not shy about saying that his speech was hateful, vile, racist, and anti Jew, but for any of you who remain in public employment, be aware that his free speech followers are making a concerted effort to terminate your employment if your comments do not reflect the required degree of sadness.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lk8.toh1.odEdNGve74tV&smid=url-share
just wow, wow
(may have to create an account, no harm, to see all of them)
https://x.com/cooperstreaming/status/1966699610610823349?s=12&t=eFdV3_Ee_q0dJcUiWgzIfA&fbclid=IwY2xjawMymqhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHqDfN8u4C-J6ysxYI3ckW38eVCf0WdJUqKxGXdaOxzvvptun0FJaa-MtRCns_aem_t2KRFtVI97FBcFWB0xlQSQ
Thanks for the read. James Bouie either leaves out or underplays the Christian nationalist angle. Charlie Kirk won't be missed or glorified by me.
\\ a man who created something called Professor Watchlist, School Board Watchlist, to name and frighten people from teaching, who advocated restrictions on what school teachers could teach, who called for — and there’s a clip you can see online — who called for the televised public executions, and he had a pretty broad category in mind. But what was really chilling was he wanted this to be required viewing for children. ...
And I really wonder if under the right circumstances this might be true of the people of almost any country.
At the moment Israel is pretty much doing unto the Palestinians what was done unto them by the Germans, and that's twice now, just in my lifetime. I's not possible for me to understand how any people who had this done to them have no problem doing pretty much the same thing all over again to another people.
How easy it is to forget the past and so this stuff all happens over again.
"Civilization". Sure thing.
Spike Jones.
MAGA family values cut through paralyzing grief.
It seems to me rather strange to learn about this revelatory debate just now. Did it really take place, or are the creators of these videos being a bit too creative?
To clarify- A" MAC address" has nothing to do with Apple MAC, although Apple also uses some version of a Media Access Control (MAC) address.
Before World War II, there were about 9.5 million Jews in Europe. After the Holocaust, only around 3.8 million survived. The Germans killed approximately 6 million Jews—about 60%.
Did the Jews attack Germany? No.
Did the Jews build tunnels, stockpile weapons, and kill or torture their own people? No.
Did the Jews indoctrinate their children to hate Muslims and Christians? No.
Did the Nazis burn, mutilate, rape, and murder innocent Jewish men, women, and children for years, deliberately? Yes.
Did the Nazis warn Jews before they took them? of course not
Now, let’s look at Gaza.
How many Palestinians lived there? About 2 million.
How many have died in the past two years? Around 64,000, or about 3%, according to multiple sources (example: PBS).
How many Hamas militants were killed? Numbers vary, but at least 10,000—likely more. That means around 50,000 civilians. That's about 2.5%.
How many Palestinians have been killed by Hamas, not Israel, over the years? Thousands.
How many Palestinians have been used as human shields by Hamas? Thousands.
How many years have Muslims been indoctrinated to hate Jews, Christians, and even other Muslims? Centuries.
Did Hamas start the war by burning, mutilating, raping, and murdering innocent Jewish men, women, and children? Yes.
Did Hamas fire thousands of rockets into Israel, kill 1,200 innocent people, and hide under hospitals, schools, and kindergartens? Yes.
Did Hamas take over 250 hostages? Yes.
Did Israel warn the Palestinians to leave before the attack and also help them? Yes.
Who has been blocking their leave? Hamas has many times killed their own people.
This is from years ago but still correct.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN1MkAGuVyY)
Finally, two simple questions:
If Israel declared it would never use its weapons again, what would happen? Millions of Jews would be burned, mutilated, raped, and killed.
If Muslims declared they would never use their weapons again, what would happen? Peace—just as it came after the Germans laid down their arms.
This is an easy lesson for deniers.
================== The only way for you to get it is if you live in CA and Mexicans have sent thousands of missiles into your neighborhood for years. Then I want to hear you saying, I'm OK with it.
You are naive and clueless.
Muslims have been militant for centuries until this day. Look at Africa and Europe; they attack other Muslims. They attack India and the Philippines. This has nothing to do with Israel.
Here are some other details:
58 years of occupation, checkpoints, restricted freedom of movement. Inability to just walk far enough to reach lemon or olive or watermelon groves in order to water them. Castle-like fortresses built by the Israeli occupiers, herding and straining workers and tourists one by one, through turnstiles. Requiring them to strip and wait in silence in isolated rooms. Having their luggage opened and contents poured out, and never re-packed.
Freeways running through Palestine (West Bank) which can be used only by Jewish Israelis, many of whom live in illegal settlements on land stolen from Palestinians. Then there is the Apartheid Wall, which does not follow the Green Line, but snakes its way into and out of Palestinian land. Roads destroyed in West Bank towns. Arbitrary arrest and detention of innocent Palestinians, not to mention shooting fatalities at the hands of the Israeli occupiers. Palestinian homes demolished on any pretext, particularly in East Jerusalem. Restrictive procedures and rules designed to make it so difficult to live there, that Palestinians, it is hoped by the Israelis, will decide to go. For example: home improvement work requires permits, which are never granted.
Israel and the illegal settlements grab more and more of the scarce potable water coming mostly from the Jordan River. I've been to the River. It's just a tickle, these days. (That was in 2004. It's worse, surely, today.)
Palestinian students commute from West Bank locations to school in Ramallah or elsewhere, but must take food enough from home for the whole week, M-F, with them. They can't take the chance of not being permitted by the Occupiers to return to Ramallah on Tues or Wed or Thurs, so, they bring sleeping bags and spend the overnights in the school library.
The Israelis occupied Gaza for a period, until 2005 or 2006. Then they required their own people to go. Now, they've turned it into dust. Together by arrangement with the Egyptians, the Israeli regime controls access into and out of Gaza. Gazans never could even control their own borders. (Thus, the tunnels.)
Israel sees itself as immune from any real consequences, and so they just bombed Doha, even though it's the Qatari gov't that's sponsoring peace talks. Both Dems and Reps are responsible for feeding Israel's killing and persecution machine. The Israeli Occupation force continues to find every conceivable pretext to maintain what it calls a buffer zone between northern Israel and Lebanon--- stealing Lebanese land, just like it stole the Golan from Syria.
Palestinians can't even conceive of going away on vacation, because someone else will be occupying their home when they get back. It might be a Jewish Israeli, or a Jew coming from anywhere else. 20% of Israel's population is Palestinian. They never left. But they can't get passports, because they're not Jewish. The Israeli regime treats both Muslims and Christians with equal doses of contempt.
...And this is to say nothing of the forced removal of Palestinians by armed Jewish paramilitaries prior to the 1948 declaration of independence, as well as destruction of Palestinian towns, back then.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Also, check this out, from a Jewish American:
https://electronicintifada.net/content/einab-junction-inside-israels-new-terminals/7820
Simply looking at what Israel has done to the inhabitants of Gaza provides the current definition of genocide. And our current government is completely complicit in this war crime.
How dare you say that all of this is a lie? Are we to believe you and Netanyahu or our own eyes?