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  • 6% returns
    Please watch those two documentaries:
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/retirement-gamble/

    I am 30 years old, and I have all my savings in the stock market, but my whole 401k is in VTSMX, with a 0.17% expense ratio.
    Don't forget the sales person makes money when you pay him.
    This is what Buffet has to say: http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/01/24/buffett-hedge-fund-bet/
  • One-Third Of Fidelity's 401(k) Customers Are All-In On A Target Data Fund
    Sorry if I am in a minority but I think this is a good thing. Investing is not so easy and while Fido certainly does not have the best target funds the great majority of people with 401k funds are unlikely to outperform an appropriate target fund. I think the closest thing one can get to a defined benefit plan these days is mandatory target fund investments of 7+ % with a decent match by the employer.That at least should result in at least a fair retirement.
  • Edward Jones
    Reply to @Crash: You would be far from the first to get a lot of advice, both general and specific, right here on MFO. I would trust the folks here over EJ or ML any day. There are quite a few experienced investors who are usually happy to offer advice, suggestions, and knowledge regarding specific investment issues.
    If you decide to try that, they'll want to know (at least) the following:
    • Your present age, and desired retirement age
    • Your investment goals, and any special issues
    • Your comfort level with various types of funds
    • What type of investment vehicles may be available to you
    • Your present situation (usually expressed as percentages, not the actual dollar amounts
  • Health Savings Accounts (HSA) and Mutual Funds
    Reply to @bee:
    Neither BRUFX nor Saturna Brokerage are good custodians for using your HSA to pay medical expenses directly as neither offer debit card or checking features, but that's not a problem if you're making the most of your HSA because it's not to your advantage to be making direct payments from an HSA anyway because reimbursing yourself for medical expenses is also a qualified withdrawal and there is no time limit for doing this; The longer you wait to withdraw the more your investments compound tax free, so:
    1. I strongly feel that HSA owners should make it their highest priority to take no distributions until retirement or beyond because HSAs are the best tax shelter around: no tax going in, no tax on returns, and no tax going out...so if you can't afford to pay your medical bills with taxable savings then raid your Roth if you have to but LEAVE THAT HSA ALONE.
    2. I'm also of the opinion that, even when interest rates are high, cash portfolio allocations should NOT be located in tax shelters as is sometimes advocated with the argument that one can withdraw from riskier, more tax-efficient investments in taxable accounts and rebalance in the tax shelter. If you know you'll always be able to withdraw from the riskier investments without running out then that means you're not at risk and you don't need a cash allocation, but if you do in fact need a cash allocation then it needs to be where you can spend it without any dubious predictions about the ability to rebalance. Additionally, (not to mention that cash yields are currently extremely low) to minimize tax bill you need to consider which investments maximize all future cash flows with compounding and that's not necessarily going to be the investments which have lower tax efficiency in any single isolated year.
    P.S. Yeah BRUFX doesn't allow online transactions, but IMO that's exactly why they have a liquidity edge vs other mutual funds. If you don't need daily liquidity then why would you invest in funds which pay a premium in the market to get it?
  • Risk Management with MF portfolio
    Decided to go with the CAPE or PE10 slopes and sold most of my recent mutual fund gains while keeping the base positions (probably should have sold more, but I can't make myself leave good funds). I didn't sell the L/S funds, but I may reconsider the long predominant funds.
    Plan to put most of it into RSIVX and try to control my impatience.
    My pending buys require a 10% correction.
    Haven't reduced my stocks, probably a mistake, but I'm not paying 1-1.5% a year for them, and most pay a dividend.
    Didn't sell in 2008-9, but was younger then. Won't sell if it happens within 3 years. Plan to be more balanced after that.
    Fund managers generally did no better than the indexes in 2008-9. Those with significant cash now are preparing for the next correction, so they might be worth buying.
    Depending on your age and risk acceptance, using index funds with 50-70% US stocks and the remainder of your stocks in international indexes, and 20% (high risk acceptance) in bonds (most writers suggest all US, but I like some international thru Vanguard), or 40% bonds (usual ratio)) has been good in the past. If near retirement, Social Security represents a bond equivalent, as per John Bogle, who has a lot more experience and is older than I, so you should shade your investments more toward stocks.
  • FAIRX
    thanks all for the comments. It's 10K to get back in. That isn't a large amount of my total retirement, but its almost 17% of my supplimental Roth accounts. It's something I'll have to think about. I wish I could have stayed with it before, but I had to liquidate for personal reasons.
    Clem
  • Don't know where to invest and sitting in cash for a long time....
    Hello bnath. Good to hear from you. I recall connecting with you a few times at the old FA. No luck digging any of that up. My (possibly incorrect) recollection is that you raised some very good questions than about the value of balanced funds as opposed to other types of funds and received a number of great responses from many board members. I do note that you were active at MFO in June 2011 at which time you considered buying a deferred annuity. Your recent post raises some interesting questions beyond your "how to invest now" query. These are mostly rhetorical (to stimulate thought) but if time you are welcome to address any or all.
    (1) There have been a number of creative ways some have deployed cash during this dismal interest rate environment. So, I'd be most interested in knowing how your 100% cash position was invested. Was it all, for example, in insured bank deposits and money market funds? If that's the case, than you've lagged inflation considerably over the past 5 years (not good). On the other hand, David and others have used RPHYX quite effectively as a cash substitute. I myself have some, but not all, invested in short and intermediate term bond funds. And, lastly, Catch22 for many years wrote an excellent column (The Fund Boat) at both Fund Alarm and than later here in which he aptly documented the phenominal bull market many types of fixed income investments enjoyed over the lengthy time you apparently sat in cash. I'm curious as to whether or not you followed the lead of Catch and other like-minded cautious investors by deploying at least some of your money into a diversified mix of bonds, bond funds, or other similar assets? If not, I'd certainly like to hear why not and what your reasoning was at the time? These products have likely lagged equities over the more recent past, but the conservative use of bonds and related products over the 2008 - 2013 time period (which Catch and many others employed and wrote about) was certainly preferable to leaving everything sitting in cash at near 0%.
    (2) Your related question about how much you will need for retirement is crucial, but also a bit telling. I suspect you may not yet have developed the habit of constructing, following, and monitoring a yearly household budget. That's a separate area which I won't go into, except to say that from experience when my wife and I finally figured out how to do that, it made all our financial decisions much easier. It's a simple thing, and yet it made a profound difference in our lives. When it came time to contemplate retirement we already had several years of budget experience behind us. This was invaluable in doing the calculations to adjust for the different financial experiences retirement brings. In addition, we had confidence from past experience that we'd be able to continue to follow a budget (with some refinements) after we retired. Everything else came easier too. After an initial two or three "lean" years, we found we had more money for important things like leisure, travel, and charitable and gift giving - yet, curiously, were at the same time able to save more. Perhaps I've mis-read your post, but I think not, and so I encourage you to research and give some thought to the budget issue. An added thought: many sources, including T. Rowe Price, make retirement calculators available on the web. Once you have a handle on the "needs & budget" considerations, those resources will be of value in determining required initial assets, draw-down rates, life expectancy, and related mathematical calculations.
    (3) Unfortunately, your post raises an age-old paradox. We as humans tend to run away from equities when they are cheap, yet desire to buy when they're much more costly. Would we pass-up a new coat at $50 and than buy the same one a few years later for $100 or $150? Probably not. Yet, on March 9, 2009 here's where the three major U.S. stock indexes stood. The Dow Jones closed at 6,547. The S&P 500 stood at 677. And the NASDAQ was at 1269. Please compare these numbers to today's. You'll likely see what I'm getting at. I don't know whether the market is cheap today or not. There's a number of interesting threads now trying to answer that. However, I do know that I'd much rather buy the same new coat for $50 than for $125 or $150. FWIW - Thanks for the provocative question. Regards
  • Don't know where to invest and sitting in cash for a long time....
    Thanks you so much folks. Great advise.
    I hope you folks live a long and healthy life and please continue to give such a great suggestions and advise and education. For Immigrants like me, who has no elders to guide thru in our investments for retirement, this forum is gift and boon in life.
    Regards
    NATH
  • Don't know where to invest and sitting in cash for a long time....
    Hi bnath001,
    Given your age and current retirement account you should be well on your way to a good retirement. This is because the power of compounding will be working in your favor. The "rule of 72" is useful to figure the effect of compounding: Divide 72 by the interest rate (APR) to determine the approximate number years to double your money.
    In investing you should first select a strategy. I prefer an Asset Allocation strategy, but there are other strategies, e.g. "Moneyball Investing". Moneyball investing is interesting to me because it emphasizes how all your investments work together to produce a desired result given the uncertainty of the future. Some interesting links:
    http://nautil.us/issue/4/the-unlikely/revisiting-moneyball-with-paul-depodesta
    http://www.mutualfundobserver.com/discussions-3/#/discussion/7421
    I personally use an Asset Allocation strategy. This scheme will probably not beat the market in the short-term; its purpose is to provide a consistent return over the long-term. You may say that you could make more money over the short-term, then again you could lose more money over the short-term. The major concept in this strategy is to split your investments into a ratio of stocks to bonds. The typical recommended ratio is 60% stocks to 40% bonds (and cash). (I prefer the categories Risky and Conservative that are essentially the equivalent of stocks and bonds.) Most proponents of Asset Allocation recommend investing in low-cost index funds. Examples of this strategy:
    http://www.marketwatch.com/lazyportfolio
    http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Lazy_portfolios
    Because you currently have a large amount of cash consider Dollar Cost Averaging into your eventual allocation by setting a duration for the investment in months and investing equal portions each month. This smooths out the buy prices to reasonable amounts. Too short a duration risks buying at a high, too long a duration risks losing out on a market rally.
    Another concept is to rebalance the portfolio periodically. Rebalance should occur as a calendar event, not a market event. Rebalancing periods of six months or yearly are common.
    Some general advice:
    1. MISS A KISS (Make It Simple Stupid And Keep It Simple Stupid). (For humor, MFO participants are not stupid.)
    2. For a long-term investor the best way to listen to CNBC is to press the mute button, look at the tickers, then quickly move on to something else.
    3. Don't plan on how much it takes to live in retirement, plan to have a good retirement where you can benefit from the savings you have accumulated during your working career. I and my wife are both retired and live in California. We enjoy the culture (LA Phil, LA Opera, etc.), the gardens {Huntington, Descanso), and much much more. Retirement should not be merely an existence, it should be a time of exploration and adventures. A good strategy for investing can yield that result. Good luck.
  • Don't know where to invest and sitting in cash for a long time....
    Reply to @bnath001:
    You should start off by tracking your current spending by line items.
    Then add and subtract items to get to your retirement budget and project that into the future.
    I highly recommend the book "How to retire happy, wild and free"
  • Don't know where to invest and sitting in cash for a long time....
    Unlimited Dreams for Retirement vs Sleep Well at Night
    "A recent television advertisement for
    Prudential that is intended to encourage
    you to save for retirement is on point with
    my life. “If you could do anything you
    wanted and be paid for it, what would that
    be?” the narrator asks viewers. “That is
    what retirement is supposed to be about,”
    he goes on." Ron Baron Sept.30,2013 Baron Funds Shareholder Report http://www.baronfunds.com/BaronFunds/media/Quarterly-Reports/Baron-Funds-Quarterly-093013.pdf
    From Mutual Fund Observer's David Snowball's October 1,2013 Commentary http://www.mutualfundobserver.com/2013/10/october-1-2013/
    RSIVX represents the next step out on the risk-return continuum. David Sherman believes that this strategy might be reasonably expected to double the returns of RPHYX. While volatility will be higher,Mr. Sherman is absolutely adamant about risk-management. He intends this to be a “sleep well at night” fund in which his mother will be invested. He refuses to be driven by the temptation to shoot for “the best” total returns; he would far rather sacrifice returns to protect against loss of principal. Morty Schaja affirms the commitment to “a very conservative credit posture.”
    One notch up in the risk/reward equation from the aforementioned Merger Arbitrage Fund(s) would be Berwyn Income BERIX. Often mentioned on this board as a good choice for risk adverse investors. A Morning* 15 year standard deviation of 6.02 and 15 year annual return of 8.23% would seem a good choice for you.
  • a (down) day in the life of the market
    Hi brucea,
    Yes, a little better at 14.03%. But it xrays at holding only 3% in cash. I am happy with my results considering the amount of cash I am holding. Anyway, I have generated more than enough off my principal this year to more than meet my needs. Why take more risk than is needed? Its five year annual return is 12.6% while mine is 15.8%. I was taking more risk five years ago and I have been dialing my risk down as equity valuations have elevated and I have now become of retirement age.
    Should we get a good size market pull back ... (5% to 10% perhaps more) ... it is in my blood line, most likely, to ramp up my equity allocation and put more risk on. Again, I feel caution is somewhat warranted at these current elevated valuations.
    Skeeter
  • Don't know where to invest and sitting in cash for a long time....
    Hi, nath!
    I'm not a financial planner or anything, but I'd almost think that you'd start with determining what you need rather than what you prefer. Will the combination of your current assets, future contributions and 3-4% appreciation get you where you need to be? That 3-4% would, of necessity, have been be deflated by the rate of inflation so you might be asking "will 0.5 - 2.0% real returns be enough, all things considered, for me to meet my goals and obligations?"
    I guess if I were wondering about that, I'd start by running a Monte Carlo analysis using T. Rowe Price's Retirement Income Calculator. We've got a link and explanation in the "Best of" tab. The Monte Carlo thing simply means that they run a thousand simultaneous what-ifs on your portfolio for the period from now to when you retire. They give you two outputs, one is a comparison of where you're likely to be versus where you need to be. The other is a tool for tweaking your contributions, asset allocation, retirement date and so on to see what you might do to better align things.
    They also have a newer version called Clear Future, but I haven't checked to see if that's available to non-customers.
    Finally, the general answer to your original question might be a cheap, well-diversified conservative allocation, strategic income or retirement income fund: something that might be 20% stocks, 40% short term fixed income and 40% other fixed income. I suspect we could rustle up some suspects for you if you decide that's where best to go.
    For what it's worth,
    David
  • a (down) day in the life of the market
    >>>If you think it's also reasonable that they should have produced about 60% of the market's 25% gains this year, that list contracts:<<<<
    Not exactly a great way to accumulate wealth for a comfortable retirement if that is one's goal each year. I have to say, the mindset of the investors of today differs markedly from those of the 80s and 90s. I suppose because of 2000-02 and especially 2008. As for the hedged funds or "more modest still", we don't even want to go there.
    Edit: My reference above are for those under 60 and still in the accumulation phase.
  • Any Thoughts and Opinions on PMHDX?
    Thanks for all of the replies. I did notice the large cash position this fund has at this moment. I was thinking that this fund could be a foul weather fund and even if one was in retirement, it could be suitable for a portion of a portfolio. The 2008 example was something I was looking at and hearing that this fund went to cash mostly makes me wonder how their short model will do in a negative environment. That part hasn't been put to the test yet it seems.
    I'm going to keep this on the watch list. AndyJ, I agree with you as far as keeping it part of the stock portion of the portfolio and I too am trying to figure out a timing model if and when to put money in.
  • A PhD Boost to Fund Returns
    Hi Guys,
    There are numerous investing behavioral biases that ruin our overall portfolio performance. Only identifying negative impact factors disproportionately increases our fears and likely contribute to us embracing a more conservative approach than is warranted by market conditions or our long-term goals.
    We need some positive reinforcements. More than a few investors have fallen behind their personal saving for retirement power curve, especially when considering historical market return averages. Even if these averages are repeated in the near future, the retirement portfolio shortfall will persist.
    A more aggressive approach is signaled. That suggests that some portion of the portfolio should be committed to active fund management. However, most active managers fail to match Index returns; but some do and generate positive excess returns. The key is to develop screening criteria that recognizes these winners.
    How do we find these superstar performers? Certainly we seek fund managers who have registered positive excess returns during a major portion of their investment career. No manager outdistances the markets each and every year.
    Some industry research has indicated that even the most successful fund managers only outscore their benchmarks about 70 % of the time. Nobody is perfect; a 70 % record is exceptional even for a Warren Buffett-like manager. Individual past performance does matter although it does erode over time as market conditions change.
    Also, low fund fees and low annual portfolio turnover rates are traditionally strong signals for potential mutual fund outperformance. This is not new news, but are necessary components to a disturbingly short selection criteria list. We seek a wider criteria diversity to choose more wisely.
    Some professors from middle America universities provide an additional candidate set based on their extensive research. In that research, they demonstrate that mutual funds that are guided by leaders who have earned financial PhDs yield higher annual returns than those that are controlled by non-PhD educations. The findings are statistically meaningful. Further, they find that those PhDs who have published extensively in respected journals add incrementally to the excess rewards.
    Here is the Link to the study:
    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2344938
    I extracted the reference from the CXO Advisory Group website, The CXO team asked the following question: “Do Ph.D. Holders Make Better Money Managers?”. CXO answers “Yes” to that question. The CXO assessment is restricted to their membership ranks so I referenced the paper itself.
    Although I have only read the Introduction and the Conclusions sections of this academic work, the study appears to be comprehensive and credible. Enjoy and profit from its findings. It provides yet another needed fund selection criteria to a rather short set. It should facilitate the sorting quagmire.
    Let me close with a cautionary warning. Obviously, the research is statistical in character. Exceptions exist with a Bell-like shaped distribution. Yes, on average, PhD leadership moves the rewards average in the positive direction. But there are some PhD managed funds that are persistent losers. A few of these are disasters, like the Titanic increasing speed through the ice flow field.
    Like doctors, all financial PhDs are not equal. Exceptions always exist, but PhDs do appear to boost returns. In the complex investment world, absolute guarantees are nearly impossible. The MFO membership can readily identify several of these exceptional loser PhDs.
    Best Regards.
  • PBS Frontline: The Retirement Gamble
    Got to agree with david and hank - also reviewed the video to confirm my impressions haven't changed.
    My sense of history is that people having short retirements and living in relative poverty is not a new norm. Rather, the postwar image of "golden retirement years" seems to me an historical anomaly - brought about by the combination of the New Deal (Social Security), the Great Society (Medicare), and generous private pensions. The latter (like employer-sponsored health insurance) came about in part because the government kept a lid on wages during WWII, so companies offered compensation through other means. Then, the US industries had the world markets to themselves for a couple of decades, enabling them to pay better wages and benefits. Add to the mix increasing life expectancies, and voila - golden years.
    For example: "Between 1940 and 1945 the number of pension plans grew dramatically ... [from] 1,530 ... [to] 6,730 ... This positive growth was due to changes in tax policy, the stabilization of wages during WW II and the Korean War, and actions of the War Labor Board."
    Journal of Sociology and Social Welfare, Dec 2012, Vol XXXIX, No. 4, p. 50 (pdf p. 2)
    I like JR's (M*'s) response, because he acknowledges the key flaws with 401(k) plans up front (implicitly inviting a reasoned discussion), and then goes on to state why the PBS Frontline piece was distorted - in its use of anecdotes, in its conflating of issues, in its bad statistics.
    Is the video even about just 401k's or, as suggested by its title, retirement savings in general? My impression is that people think it is about 401Ks (certainly JR's column addresses this aspect of it). But most of the complaints and issues raised in the video apply to IRAs as well (brokers selling high cost funds, annuities; lack of fiduciary responsibility; people not knowing what's in their funds, what the investment strategies are; etc.)
  • PBS Frontline: The Retirement Gamble
    A very sobering and frightening PBS Frontline program. I am firmly convinced that many people will never experience a "retirement" and geriatric poverty will be the new norm in the U.S. within the next several decades.
  • PBS Frontline: The Retirement Gamble
    FYI: This Frontline is from 4/23/13, and for those of you who missed it, it's worth watching.
    Regards,
    Ted
    http://video.pbs.org/video/2365000843/
  • The Smaller Ther Are, The Harder They Fall ?
    ARIVX an absolute dog of a fund with terrible returns the past year compared to its peers. I know, I know, the academics say give a fund a few years before throwing it to the curb. That's hogwash! One year returns DO count and most especially in years like 2013. I am more or less (less than more) retired from the investment/trading game and I can tell you one year returns do count. My retirement nest egg would have been adversely impacted had I missed any of the bigger percentage gains years of the past ala 91,95, 98, 99, 03, 09 and so on. 2013 has been one of those can't miss years for the younger crowd here and even if you are an old timer the 5% returns of ARIVX just don't cut it.