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  • Does the market know something we don’t?
    “How is the market hanging in there under the current circumstances?”
    “… strings and ceiling wax and other fancy stuff”
    But I’m not certain your original premise is fully accurate. A check of Bloomberg shows all 3 major indexes well below their 52 week highs. Until yesterday the Dow was actually in negative territory for the year. And if you compare the Dow to where it was 2 years ago, it’s substantially lower.
    DJI close on October 29, 2021 35,816
    DJI close on October 24, 2023 33,141
    (*Quotation from ”Puff the Magic Dragon”)
  • Does the market know something we don’t?
    Factoring in current events, the "market" has been incredibly resilient this year.
    The recent Fed’s Survey of Consumer Finances indicated the median net worth
    of American families climbed 37% between 2019 and 2022 after adjusting for inflation.
    Consumers were in a strong financial position which allowed continued spending in 2023.
    It will be interesting to see how the "market" reacts if/when spending materially deteriorates.
    American Household Wealth Jumped in the Pandemic
  • Leuthold: it's "into the dumpster"
    Leuthold's summative metric is the Major Trends Index (MTI), which is a sort of weighted average of 140 individual metrics that their research says is predictive of the market's prospects. In the past week, the previously negative reading (-2) has worsened as the market's technicals (measures such as advance/decline lines and breadth of movement) have deteriorated. The MTI is now at its worst possible reading, -3.
    Here's their summary:
    The Major Trend Index slipped another notch to -3 in the week ended October 20th, thanks to a two-point breakdown in the Technical category. All four of the MTI’s factor groupings are now negative, supporting a defensive stance toward the stock market.
    Leuthold tactical portfolios—including the Core Fund, Core private accounts, Core ETF, and Global Fund—are all positioned with net equity exposure of 43%.
    On a short-term basis, it’s troubling that a market setback as internally deep as the current one hasn’t resulted in more improvement in the Sentiment work. The “wall of worry” accompanying much of the 2023 market action has morphed into a “slope of hope.”
    On a long-term basis, it’s worrisome that S&P 500 valuation measures still look so high, despite the index having gone nowhere in the last 29 months. But there’s a silver lining to this year’s incredibly narrow market action: The “average stock” in our Leuthold 3000 universe has sunk to even lower valuation levels than seen at last October’s bear market lows.
    Across the 40 inputs to the Technical category, there were zero upgrades and nine downgrades.
    In the last three months of decline, LCORX has lost 50% of what its peers have; over the past three years, its made 250% of what they have (per Morningstar).
    The LCORX homepage, which is moderately interesting.
  • Does the market know something we don’t?
    A few things come to mind:
    1) Consumers are still spending. What inflation?
    2) US markets will always attract cash from all over the world. Still viewed as most solid and stable.
    3) If asset bubbles were to burst, the perception is that they will re-inflate soon enough thanks to a meddling Fed intervention.
  • Moving Average MA or EMA?
    @Charles, thanks. Most sites have both MA & EMA (M*, MFO, StockCharts, Yahoo Finance, etc).
    I tried to explain the differences and when to use them. For short-term trades, EMA (14d, 20d, 50d) may be more useful, but for longer term trades, either is fine, and simple may be better (so, just 200-dMA, etc).
  • DGI sloppy website
    I'm not sure I'd call a related distributor (a la Fidelity, Vanguard, etc.) a third party, as that term often suggests independence. Rather, a distributor is a separate legal entity (whether independent or a subsidiary), perhaps a distinction without a difference.
    The 40 basis points mentioned is more significant, as that's the rack rate that Schwab and Fidelity charge for NTF funds. They charge significantly less to carry TF funds, so the fund might be able to go that route instead. In addition, Fidelity and Schwab carry funds from a few families that decline to pay even this fee (they charge investors a higher TF instead). Realistically though, the brokerages are going to sell funds without charging for shelf space only if the funds are so popular that the brokerages benefit from carrying them anyway.
    It also said that fee sharing arrangements do exist with some 3rd party firms.
    The prospectus says only that these arrangements may exist. Also that shares are available directly or via retirement plans.
    Generally, shares may be purchased, exchanged or redeemed through retirement plans or directly from the Fund. ...
    The Adviser and/or its affiliates may enter into arrangements to make payments for additional activities... These payments are often referred to as revenue sharing payments”
    https://secure.alpsinc.com/MarketingAPI/api/v1/Content/dgifund/the-disciplined-growth-investors-fund-pro-20230831.pdf
    It's boilerplate - disclosing potential conflicts of interest. IOW, legalise. As stated on this page (I assume from the original website) linking to the prospectus: "Some people prefer legalise to English." (Okay, I admit it; I'm one of those people :-))
    https://www.dgifund.com/geeks-lawyers
    The SEC filings for the fund are here:
    https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?CIK=S000033265&action=getcompany&scd=filings
    The fund is a series of the Financial Investors Trust, as are Seafarer Funds (SFGIX, SFVLX) and a variety of other funds. Here's the full prospectus for the trust:
    https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/915802/000139834423016245/fp0084788-1_485bposixbrl.htm
  • Matt Levine- Money Stuff: Nobody Wants Mutual Funds Now
    I was looking at the historical performance of a large-cap blend mutual fund yesterday (a good fund -- rated "Gold" and "five stars") and couldn't help but notice that 100% of its outperfomance over the past decade went straight to operating expenses. Strip those out and the fund matched the S&P 500. So every ounce of excess returns went not to the shareholders of the fund but to the fund company (over that particular time period at least).
    According to M* Investor screener, there are 14 share classes of large cap blend funds rated gold and 5 stars. Discarding the S&P 500 funds and the GMO funds (not generally accessible), that leaves only PRILX and PRCOX.
    You're likely looking at the former, since as of Sept 30th, its net returns (after expenses) exactly match the index M* uses. But it slightly underperformed VFIAX over the same period.
    However, the latter outperformed M*'s selected index by 0.57%/year over the decade ending Sept 30th; it outperformed VFIAX by 0.36% over the same time span, per Portfolio Visualizer. And the three year tax cost ratio of PRCOX is exactly ͕1; as much as that of PRILX.
    FWIW, PRILX had the best risk adjusted return (highest Sharpe ratio, highest Sortino ratio) of the three funds per Portfolio Visualizer.
  • Matt Levine- Money Stuff: Nobody Wants Mutual Funds Now
    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-10-23/nobody-wants-mutual-funds-now
    The page contains five pieces. Though four of them are unrelated to the title of the page. The actual title of the copied piece is: Barbell Strategy
    Omitted in the OP transcription are citations (links) to the text quoted within the piece:
    Silla Brush and Loukia Gyftopoulou report citation (paywalled):
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-10-22/active-vs-passive-investing-money-managers-confront-end-of-bull-market?srnd=premium&sref=1kJVNqnU
    WSJ citation (lnot paywalled): https://www.wsj.com/finance/stocks/who-you-calling-dumb-money-everyday-investors-do-just-fine-9dd63892?mod=hp_lead_pos8
    That WSJ article addresses @Devo's concern: I think the WSJ article which said retail investors do just fine, and better than professionals, is probably too anecdotal. Nothing about reality and what we hear from individual investors playing zero day options and triple leveraged ETFs ties in with this.
    Vanda calculates the average portfolio by analyzing individual investors’ brokerage-account trading activity in U.S.-listed single stocks. The firm’s analysis excludes purchases of exchange-traded funds and mutual funds, along with transactions made through retirement accounts or investment advisers.
    The WSJ piece has a graphic comparing individual investors' concentration in the biggest name stocks vs. S&P weights that goes beyond the quoted text's mention of Apple, Tesla, and Nvidia. Also overweighted by individual investors are Amazon, AMD, and Netflix. Underweighted are Microsoft, Alphabet, and Meta (all underweighted by about half).
    The WSJ has another graphic comparing individual investors and S&P 500 portfolios by sector. Aside from overweighting technology (as mentioned in the quoted text), consumer discretionary is heavily overweighted, constituting about a quarter of investors' portfolios. Also of note is the substantial underweighting of healthcare (less than 40% of the S&P 500 weight); see MFO thread on healthcare.
    Also omitted is footnote 1 (at the end of the 3rd paragraph):
    One important element here is that mutual funds were once a way to diversify your stock portfolio in a world where the normal way to buy individual stocks was in round lots of 100 shares. If you had $10,000 to invest, that might get you 100 shares of one or two stocks, whereas a mutual fund could buy dozens of stocks for you and give you fractional ownership of each of them. But now you can trade individual stocks for free and buy fractional shares directly from your broker, so that benefit of mutual funds is much less important.
    With 40% of portfolios invested (on average) in three stocks, that's not using cheap trades to diversify. That's doing what small investors have always done - buy a handful of stocks they recognize.
    Again from the WSJ piece:
    Robinhood users tend to “invest in what they know and use,” according to Stephanie Guild, head of investment strategy at Robinhood and a JPMorgan Chase veteran of about two decades. “That’s really no different than generations before...”
  • Matt Levine- Money Stuff: Nobody Wants Mutual Funds Now
    I was looking at the historical performance of a large-cap blend mutual fund yesterday (a good fund -- rated "Gold" and "five stars") and couldn't help but notice that 100% of its outperfomance over the past decade went straight to operating expenses. Strip those out and the fund matched the S&P 500. So every ounce of excess returns went not to the shareholders of the fund but to the fund company (over that particular time period at least). And that doesn't include the effect of taxes for those holding the fund in a taxable account. My acceptance of that sort of thing wanes as each year goes by.
  • DGI sloppy website
    Very difficult to find info on DGIFX out of MN (08/2011- ). Its equity has SC/MC tilt that is less common among allocation/balanced funds. There are lots of other funds/firms that use terms "DGI" or "disciplined", so web searches can be frustrating (well, not to me). Only the MFO shows many hits on search, including a writeup in September 2022 MFO.
    https://www.mutualfundobserver.com/2022/09/disciplined-growth-investors-dgifx-september-2022/
    The SEC/Edgar filings seen are useless. May be it files documents under another name/identifier.
    https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=0001050442&owner=include&count=40&hidefilings=0
    I was finally able to find its Prospectus from a click on its website (bad - lot of fluff, not much substance). Very basic combo Prospectus + SAI. It says that fund is distributed via ALPS Fund Services. It also says that it pays some unspecified intermediaries/firms to distribute the fund. So, not sure what is so unique about it being "direct-sold" - that seems to mean only that Fido, Schwab, etc mass-market fund platforms are excluded. Checks go to Kansas City, I suppose to an entity belonging to ALPS, and that may explain the delays mentioned in the OP.
    https://secure.alpsinc.com/MarketingAPI/api/v1/Content/dgifund/the-disciplined-growth-investors-fund-pro-20230831.pdf
  • Matt Levine- Money Stuff: Nobody Wants Mutual Funds Now
    It feels like there are two dominant retail investment strategies:
    1. Buy and hold index funds, or
    2. Actively trade individual stocks and, while you’re at it, maybe options or crypto.
    Many ordinary people do not want to think about their investments much, and modern finance has designed a product that is ideally suited for them. It is the index fund (or index exchange-traded fund), whose essential thesis is that thinking about investments is unnecessary and in fact bad, and you should just buy the market and save on costs.
    Other people, though, do want to think about their investments, and they want to think about investments that are fun to think about: stocks (or options or crypto) that are volatile, stocks of companies that do fun or interesting or world-changing things, stocks of companies with charismatic and entertaining chief executive officers, meme stocks.
    There is not much in between. In particular, the whole industry of active mutual fund management is built on the idea that, if you don’t want to manage your investments, you can pay someone else to do it for you. But that idea feels passé in 2023. These days, if you don’t want to manage your investments, the accepted approach is to pay someone else almost nothing to almost not manage them for you: An index fund will do almost no managing and charge almost no fees, and that is widely considered the optimal approach. And if you want to manage your investments, you want to manage your investments; you want to pick fun stocks, not hire a star mutual fund manager to do the stock picking for you.[1]
    Where does that leave the active mutual fund managers? Bloomberg’s Silla Brush and Loukia Gyftopoulou report that things are bad for them:
    Across the $100 trillion asset-management industry, money managers have confronted a tectonic shift in investor appetite for cheaper, passive strategies over the past decade. Now they’re facing something even more dire: The unprecedented run of bull markets that buoyed their investments and masked life-threatening vulnerabilities may be a thing of the past.
    About 90% of additional revenue taken in by money managers since 2006 is simply from rising markets, and not from any ability to attract new client money, according to Boston Consulting Group. Many senior executives and consultants now warn that it won’t take much to turn the industry's slow decline into a cliff-edge moment: One more bear market, and many of these firms will find themselves beyond repair. …
    More than $600 billion of client cash has headed for the exits since 2018 from investment funds at T. Rowe, Franklin, Abrdn, Janus Henderson Group Plc and Invesco Ltd. That’s more than all the money overseen by Abrdn, one of the UK’s largest standalone asset managers. Take these five firms as a proxy for the vast middle of the industry, which, after hemorrhaging client cash for the past decade, is trying to justify itself in a world that’s no longer buying what it’s selling. …
    “It’s a slow but surely declining trajectory,” said Markus Habbel, head of Bain & Co.’s global wealth- and asset-management practice. “There is a scenario for many of these players to survive for a few years while their assets and revenues decline until they die. This is the trend in the majority of the industry.”
    Cheery! What do you do about this? One approach is to get into some adjacent business that does not rely on stock-picking; Abrdn “cut the business into three parts: a mutual fund business, a wealth unit that also serves retail investors and a platform for financial advisers — a strategy that has yet to prove it’s working.”
    The other approach is for active managers to get out of liquid easily indexed public markets and into something else. Abrdn has also “largely abandoned competing in large-cap equity funds, choosing instead to emphasize small-cap and emerging-market strategies.” And of course there is private credit:
    For many other firms, private markets — and, specifically, the private-credit craze — are now the latest perceived savior. Almost everyone, from small to giant stock-and-bond houses, is piling into the asset class, often for the first time. In the past year and a half, a surge in M&A in the space has been driven by such houses, including Franklin, that are eager to offer clients the increasingly popular strategies, which typically charge higher fees. Others have been poaching teams or announcing plans to enter the space.
    “I think that’s a big driver for many of these firms — they look at their own financials and think about what’s going to keep us afloat over the next few years,” Amanda Nelson, principal at Casey Quirk asset-management consultancy at Deloitte, said in an interview.
    “Just buy all the stocks” is a cheap and easy investing strategy that is also endorsed by academic research, but “just make private loans to all the buyouts” sort of obviously doesn’t work. So there is room for investment selection, and fees, there.
    Meanwhile at the Wall Street Journal, Hannah Miao reports that actually retail stock-picking works great:
    Wall Street has long derided amateur investors as unsophisticated market participants, prone to buying high and selling low. But the typical individual investor’s long-term mindset and penchant for risk-taking has proved fruitful in the technology-driven market of the past decade, defying the “dumb money” caricature.
    The average individual-investor stock portfolio has risen about 150% since the beginning of 2014, according to investment research firm Vanda Research, which began tracking the data nine years ago. That beats the S&P 500’s roughly 140% during the same period.
    Some of this is about stock selection: Recent years have been good for the stocks that retail investors tend to like.
    The typical small investor holds an outsize position in megacap tech companies. Apple, Tesla and Nvidia alone make up about 40% of the average individual’s stock portfolio, according to Vanda. Although big tech stocks plunged last year, those investments have dominated the market for most of the past decade and have helped fuel the S&P 500’s 10% advance this year.
    But some of it is apparently behavioral: Individual investors can be more contrarian than professionals can.
    One advantage small investors have over professionals: They don’t have to worry about reporting performance to clients. That helps some individuals feel comfortable riding out market downturns. …
    Everyday investors are known to buy the dip, piling into markets during weak periods. Many jumped into stocks in March 2020 when the market plunged at the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic, and rode the high as shares rebounded.
    Crudely speaking, if index funds offer market performance, and retail investors on average outperform the market, then professional investors on average will underperform the market: “Over the past decade, about 86% of all large-cap U.S. equity funds have underperformed the S&P 500, according to S&P Dow Jones Indices.”
    This seems bad for the big asset managers? They are squeezed from both sides: There is the rise of indexing, but there’s also the pretty good performance of individual investors who pick their own stocks. For a long time now, one argument for active management has been along the lines of “sure index funds look good in a rising market, but wait until the market goes down; then people will see the value of active stock selection.” But in fact people have seen the value of owning a lot of Apple and Tesla, which they can just do on their own. The real argument for active management surely has to be something like “sure index funds and also individual stock trading look good in a market dominated by the biggest names, but wait until Tesla and Apple underperform and the way to make money is by buying stocks that retail investors have never heard of.” Which is a harder pitch.
  • What is happening in healthcare?
    I found the following Wapo guest piece quite enlightening about how the drug companies’ legal strategies and arguments are playing out in the various courts where the challenges to the Inflation Reduction Act are being heard.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/23/medicare-negotiations-drug-prices-lawsuit/
  • Leuthold: the lights have all turned red, time to lighten up on stocks
    WABAC said:
    It should also be noted that LCR is about 50% equities, while LCORX is about 16% equities.
    Hi @WABAC. I took a double-take when I read this so I had to look it up. I invested in LCR because it was very much like LCORX - in my mind.
    Just for clarification, per Portfolio Visualizer, both LCR and LCORX are about 53% equities. Their comparative performance since the start of Jan. 2020 is very close.
    CAGR LCR=5.87 LCORX=5.67
    StDev LCR=10.67 LCORX=10.68
    Max DrawDown LCR= -12.94 LCORX= -12.91
    Sharp Ratio LCR=0.44 LCORX= 0.42
    The strategy and results of both funds seem to mirror each other. Yes, one uses stocks and the other uses sector ETF's to mimic the sectors of those individual stocks. At least that's the way I interpret it.
    Hi @Mike. Thanks for the help. Silly me for going by what it says on the M* portfolio page. And thanks to @yogibearbull for trying to explain.
    Whatever they're up to, I wouldn't touch either of them. Too expensive. Too many moving parts.
  • Grandeur Peaks
    Here is from a June 20, 2023 email:
    June 20, 2023
    Dear Fellow Shareholder,
    Thank you for your assistance with our recent proxy vote. The Grandeur Peak Funds proxy proposal easily passed, and we are now able to move the Funds’ back office service provider from SS&C (formerly ALPS) to Ultimus Fund Solutions.The date of this conversion has been changed to the weekend of July 22-23, 2023.
    Below is important information that affects Grandeur Peak Funds’ direct shareholder accounts after this transition:
    Your existing account number(s) will remain the same.
    For those utilizing online account access, the online account system will be changing. To continue to access your account online following the transfer agency conversion, visit grandeurpeakglobal.com and click “LOG IN” as you normally would. This will take you to the new Grandeur Peak Funds account access site where you will need to register as a new user by selecting “Sign up for Online Access.” You will need your account number, date of birth, email address, and social security number to re-establish your online account through the new system. If you have any trouble, please call us at the Shareholder Services number below. NOTE: As part of the transition, online account access will be unavailable during the weekend of the transition (July 22-23).
    Our Shareholder Services telephone number will remain the same, but the service hours will change slightly:
    1-855-377-PEAK (7325)
    7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. MT Monday - Friday
    Our shareholder mailing addresses will change to:
    Overnight:
    Grandeur Peak Funds
    c/o Ultimus Fund Solutions, LLC.
    4221 N 203rd St., Suite 100
    Elkhorn, NE 68022
    US Mail:
    Grandeur Peak Funds
    c/o Ultimus Fund Solutions, LLC
    P.O. Box 541150
    Omaha, NE 68154-9150
    Instructions for automatic investments into the Funds and systematic withdrawals out of the Funds will be transferred and will continue as normal.
    Account statements and tax forms: As part of the service provider change, statements and tax forms from January 1, 2020 to present will be migrated and remain available for online access. If you would like to retain copies for prior periods, you may download them from the current shareholder portal prior to the conversion date. Otherwise, documents prior to 2020 can be requested by contacting Shareholder Services.
    Confirmation of non-taxable reorganization: The transaction and transfer of your account(s) will not be taxable, nor will it impact the number of shares you own, the market value of your account, or the cost basis of your shares. You can expect to receive a transaction confirmation reflecting the transfer, which will be processed after the close of business on the conversion date.
    Thank you for the trust you place in us. We are undertaking this transition because we believe it will better align with our goal of providing you with outstanding shareholder servicing. We will work with Ultimus to ensure the transition is as seamless and easy for you as possible.
  • Grandeur Peaks
    The original email did indicate that I would have to re-register as a first time user. My bookmark for the old GP platform indicated that I needed to update my GP bookmark login for future use.
    This is from a 10/19 email I received concerning the changeover:
    Oct 19, 2023
    Dear Fellow Shareholders,
    Thank you for your assistance with our recent proxy vote. The Grandeur Peak Funds proxy proposal easily passed, and we are now moving the Funds’ back office service provider from SS&C (formerly ALPS) to Ultimus Fund Solutions. The conversion will take place this weekend, October 21-22, 2023.
    Below is important information that affects Grandeur Peak Funds’ direct shareholder accounts after this transition:
    Your existing account number(s) will remain the same.
    For those utilizing online account access, the online account system will be changing. To continue to access your account online following the transfer agency conversion, visit grandeurpeakglobal.com and click “LOG IN” as you normally would. This will take you to the new Grandeur Peak Funds account access site where you will need to register as a new user by selecting “Sign up for Online Access.” You will need your account number, date of birth, email address, and social security number to re-establish your online account through the new system. If you have any trouble, please call us at the Investor Services number below.
    NOTE: As part of the transition, online account access will be unavailable during the weekend of the transition (Oct 21-22).
    Our Investor Services telephone number will remain the same, but the service hours will change slightly:
    1-855-377-PEAK (7325)
    7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. MT Monday - Friday
    Our shareholder mailing addresses will change to:
    Overnight:
    Grandeur Peak Funds
    c/o Ultimus Fund Solutions, LLC.
    4221 N 203rd St., Suite 100
    Elkhorn, NE 68022
    US Mail:
    Grandeur Peak Funds
    c/o Ultimus Fund Solutions, LLC
    P.O. Box 541150
    Omaha, NE 68154-9150
    Existing instructions for automatic investments into the Funds and systematic withdrawals out of the Funds will be transferred and will continue as normal.
    Account statements and tax forms:As part of the service provider change, statements and tax forms from January 1, 2020 to present will be migrated and remain available for online access. If you would like to retain copies for prior periods, you may download them from the current shareholder portal prior to 2:00 pm MT this Friday, October 20th. Otherwise, documents prior to 2020 can be requested by contacting Shareholder Services.
    Confirmation of non-taxable reorganization: The transaction and transfer of your account(s) will not be taxable, It will not impact the number of shares you own, the market value of your account, or the cost basis of your shares. You can expect to receive a transaction confirmation simply reflecting the transfer, which will be processed after the close of business on the conversion date.
    Thank you for the trust you place in us. We are undertaking this transition because we believe it will better align with our goal of providing you with outstanding shareholder servicing. We will work with Ultimus to ensure the transition is as seamless and easy for you as possible.
    Questions or comments?
  • Leuthold: the lights have all turned red, time to lighten up on stocks
    M* gets confused by L-S funds and hedging strategies. Moreover, it puts convertibles under "Other". M* Cash is anything under 12-mo maturities (others may use only up to 3-mo maturities).
    So, on allocations of LCORX, M*, PV and Leuthold website differ a lot. But none of that can be hidden from the SD.
    LCR is an etf of ETFs, and its allocation has less wiggle room.
    Edit/Add. Why does MFO link ETF to some Aberdeen CEF whose valid ticker now is AEF? I had to use lowercase etf to bypass. @TheShadow
  • Leuthold: the lights have all turned red, time to lighten up on stocks
    WABAC said:
    It should also be noted that LCR is about 50% equities, while LCORX is about 16% equities.
    Hi @WABAC. I took a double-take when I read this so I had to look it up. I invested in LCR because it was very much like LCORX - in my mind.
    Just for clarification, per Portfolio Visualizer, both LCR and LCORX are about 53% equities. Their comparative performance since the start of Jan. 2020 is very close.
    CAGR LCR=5.87 LCORX=5.67
    StDev LCR=10.67 LCORX=10.68
    Max DrawDown LCR= -12.94 LCORX= -12.91
    Sharp Ratio LCR=0.44 LCORX= 0.42
    The strategy and results of both funds seem to mirror each other. Yes, one uses stocks and the other uses sector ETF's to mimic the sectors of those individual stocks. At least that's the way I interpret it.