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US Plans Emergency Measures To Backstop Banks after SVB

edited March 2023 in Other Investing
https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-12/fed-and-treasury-weigh-emergency-authority-for-deposit-backstop?srnd=premium
It's one thing for the Fed to want ordinary Americans to lose their jobs by raising rates. But it's another if banks and their biggest wealthiest customers who have more than the FDIC limits in accounts are in trouble.
The Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department are preparing emergency measures to shore up banks and ensure they can meet potential demands by their customers to withdraw money, as the US seeks to stave off a deeper crisis after SVB Financial Group’s failure.

The Fed is planning to ease the terms of banks’ access to its discount window, giving firms a way to turn assets that have lost value into cash without the kind of losses that toppled SVB’s Silicon Valley Bank. The Fed and Treasury are also preparing a program to backstop deposits using the Fed’s emergency lending authority.

The changes under discussion were described by people with knowledge of the matter, who asked not to be named because the talks are confidential. Representatives for the Fed and Treasury had no comment.

Regulators are discussing extraordinary measures as banks face the prospect of booking losses if customers pull uninsured deposits after the swift collapse of SVB rattled financial markets last week and left its clients in the lurch. A flood of withdrawals can force banks to sell assets such as bonds that have deteriorated in value amid interest-rate increases — the dynamic behind SVB’s demise.
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  • Thanks for the summary, LB.
  • If companies can't pay salaries and bills, it won't do the economy any good.
  • edited March 2023
    I don't have a problem necessarily with the government providing a socialist tax-payer funded bailout to too-big-to-fail private sector businesses just so long as the executives running those businesses never complain about things like big government, socialism for poor people, taxes, regulations and the "moral hazard" of helping people again. The problem is some of the same people like venture capitalist David Sacks of the so-called "Paypal Mafia" who've complained about big government and regulation before are now the ones demanding the government bail out SVB: https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/1634300582008696833 It's sort of like people living in coastal Florida mansions complaining about their taxes being too high and "handouts" to the poor and how climate change is a myth suddenly having their hands out for FEMA money when their houses get washed away in a storm. It's an attempt to have it both ways. And if we have a recession because of the Fed raising rates too high, a lot more people than the wealthiest depositors at SVB will need help, yet I imagine the "moral hazard" criticism of helping will persist.
  • Twitter is good for a few things!

    My favorites

    "Just as there are no atheists in Fox Holes, there are also no Libertarians during a financial crisis..."
    ~Barry @Ritholtz,

    https://twitter.com/sruhle/status/1634703830032998400?s=12

  • +1 Great funny quote.
  • MFO - What a great place to be on a rainy day. ;)
  • Or a cold one, @Anna, as we have 20 degrees and snow on the ground in SE MI.
  • sma3 said:

    Twitter is good for a few things!

    My favorites

    "Just as there are no atheists in Fox Holes, there are also no Libertarians during a financial crisis..."
    ~Barry @Ritholtz,

    https://twitter.com/sruhle/status/1634703830032998400?s=12

    Love uncle Barry.
  • edited March 2023
    Changing the topic slightly … But you might make an argument that inflation harms the wealthy more than the working class. With inflation, if you have lots of money on deposit somewhere it depreciates in buying power while you’re holding it. On the other hand, if you have lots of debt (assuming at a fixed-rate) you are helped by inflation as you pay back the debt with cheaper dollars. That’s true, of course, only so long as your wages and other benefits increase along with inflation. Just a thought. I can’t prove this. And don’t know whether or not it relates to the Fed’s seeming obsession with a 2% inflation target. But cannot ever recall such a rigid target under any previous Federal Reserve or Administration. If it can help avoid crash landing the economy, maybe 2.5% or 3% is acceptable near-term.

    @Anna - If it’s raining where you are I envy you. Still the land of ice and snow here.
  • edited March 2023
    @hank
    But you might make an argument that inflation harms the wealthy more than the working class.
    There are a number of I think mistaken assumptions in your post. One is that the wealthiest keep most of their money on deposit. The more money someone has, the more risks they can take with that money to keep up with inflation. It is the middle class and poor who need to keep most of their assets in bank accounts, not the wealthiest, as the middle class and poor need to have liquid capital in case of emergencies. A wealthy investor can afford to tie their money up for several years in far less liquid but very lucrative investments with returns that exceed inflation.
    On the other hand, if you have lots of debt (assuming at a fixed-rate) you are helped by inflation as you pay back the debt with cheaper dollars.
    That assumes the poorest people's wages keep up with inflation. That is often not the case as the unskilled or low-skilled labor have the least bargaining power when it comes to wages. If you're not making more money to pay back the fixed amount of debt, that doesn't work. Moreover, much of the debt poorer people often assume like credit card debt is often variable rate that rises with interest rates and inflation.

    The poor spend almost all of their wages on items they consume, and the prices of those items are going up. They have no means of saving in ways that can keep up with inflation.
  • edited March 2023
    Thanks for responding @LewisBraham. I value your insights. And generalizations are always dangerous anyway.
  • @hank, I grew up with the irresolute response to the last inflation. I don't want to spend what could be the rest of my life going through that again.

  • edited March 2023
    There are parallels to the 1970s but it's not the same today and the 1970s and their resolution weren't the way they are often described: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/01/global-economy-policy-financial-crisis-1970s/
  • @WABC. I have posted before about our experiences in the last time of very high inflation. We were young, sorta dumb, childless, without any equity investments, had money in the bank and rental properties in the best( luckiest ) location possible. In retrospect it was all blind luck. It was the best of times as we spent three years sailing in the sea of Cortez. The bigger take away from this is that people’s circumstances are highly individualized. And the ability to be flexible and open can be very powerful. And be lucky.
  • Well. That's a very interesting article about the 1970's, Bretton Woods, Maggie Thatcher, even the Trilateral Commission, and all that.

    Seems to me that it's quite likely that uncontrolled inflation can be a real PITA for average people without framing it in 70's America, Thatcher's England, Weimar Germany, or what is going on in Turkey at the moment.

    Today, a lot of people arguing for a soft Fed response are very much the sort of people that ran SVB. And they are in a much better position to benefit from inflation than I am.

    At the same time, the push for organized labor is showing more vigor than it has since Reagan crushed PATCO. And the people that oppose that are very much the sort of people that have profited, and grown fat, on easy money from the Fed.
  • edited March 2023
    Inflation can indeed be a real PITA for average people, but not having a job to pay for anything is worse for many people than being employed but having to pay more for everything. A balance of these interests needs to be recognized in the rate discussion. From the article on after Volcker jacked up rates to double digits:
    The economic results of this counterrevolution were far from unambiguous. Growth in the early 1980s slumped. Entire industrial sectors were rendered uncompetitive by soaring interest rates and surging exchange rates. Unemployment hit postwar records. It was painful, but on the conservative reading there was, as British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher liked to say, no alternative. If the struggles of the 1970s had continued, she suggested, the result would have been a slide toward ever more rapid inflation and threats to the institutional status quo. Ultimately, the Cold War order was in peril, and if avoiding that fate required turning monetary policy into a more blunt-force form of political struggle, then so be it. In fighting the mineworkers into submission in 1984-85, she was waging war on enemies within, as she waged war on the Soviet enemy without. The prize was nothing less than a permanent shift in the balance of social and economic power and the exclusion of alternatives to the rule of private property and markets.
    As for labor having much power, it is a shadow of what it was in the 1970s:

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  • edited March 2023
    WABAC said:

    @hank, I grew up with the irresolute response to the last inflation. I don't want to spend what could be the rest of my life going through that again


    @WABC -You weren’t pleased with Nixon’s 1970 wage & price freeze? :)

    I was pretty irresponsible with money 50 years ago, so I doubt any Fed policy would have helped. Fortunately, we had a strong labor union where I worked and so wages kept up with inflation. With annual raises based on seniority, I stayed ahead of inflation. I do not remember a lot of public yelling and screaming about it in the 70s. It crept up on us slowly; started creeping up bit by bit in the 60s. Once we went off the gold standard (‘71) it quickened. For the most part we took inflation in stride as part of life. In Michigan the “Big Three” auto plants were still humming. The unionized workers there did very well. Could afford to own nice new vehicles and suburban homes. Some even owned second homes in the northern reaches of the state.

    While I contributed automatically to a 403B from my pay, I wasn’t really attuned to investing. But left alone the global equity fund (run by John Templeton then) did quite well and paved the way for the future. A gold & silver craze developed in the late 70s. There was tremendous media hype as the price of gold soared from $35 a decade earlier to around $800 an ounce. I grabbed off a couple K-Rands near the top and watched it slide to $400-$500 over a few years before selling. It was the best lesson in investing I ever received. And the Hunt Brothers somehow managed to buy enough silver back than to push the price over $50 an ounce - an astronomical height it has never reclaimed.

    Whatever we’re facing now by way of inflation is mild compared to the 60s thru 80s period. And I think the Fed for reasons I don’t fully understand is engaged in some serious overkill. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater might apply.



    A blast from the past


    ”With inflation on the rise and a gold run looming, Nixon’s administration coordinated a plan for bold action. From August 13 to 15, 1971, Nixon and fifteen advisers, including Federal Reserve Chairman Arthur Burns, Treasury Secretary John Connally, and Undersecretary for International Monetary Affairs Paul Volcker (later Federal Reserve Chairman) met at the presidential retreat at Camp David and created a new economic plan. On the evening of August 15, 1971, Nixon addressed the nation on a new economic policy that not only was intended to correct the balance of payments but also stave off inflation and lower the unemployment rate.

    The first order was for the gold window to be closed. Foreign governments could no longer exchange their dollars for gold; in effect, the international monetary system turned into a fiat one. A few months later the Smithsonian agreement attempted to maintain pegged exchange rates, but the Bretton Woods system ended soon thereafter. The second order was for a 90-day freeze on wages and prices to check inflation. This marked the first time the government enacted wage and price controls outside of wartime. It was an attempt to bring down inflation without increasing the unemployment rate or slowing the economy. In addition, an import surcharge was set at 10 percent to ensure that American products would not be at a disadvantage because of exchange rates.

    Shortly after the plan was implemented, the growth of employment and production in the United States increased. Inflation was practically halted during the 90-day wage-price freeze but would soon reappear as the monetary momentum in support of inflation had already begun. Nixon’s new economic policy represented a coordinated attack on the simultaneous problems of unemployment, inflation, and disequilibrium in the balance of payments. The plan was one of the many prescriptions written to cure inflation, which would eventually continue to rise.”


    Source

  • The point is to avoid getting to the need for a Volcker-style shock. Right now we're at about half of what Volcker was faced with. Let's see if we can avoid that.

    Rehashing the favorite arguments of the geriatric right, and left, from the 1970's may be of historiographic interest. But the fall of the Wall put paid to the whole "Cold War order" thing.

    Of course no one said that today's labor movement is close to what it was at the beginning of the 70's. My point is that the people that oppose what little is happening now are very much in favor of easy money from the Fed.

    OTOH. In this very forum I see people arguing for punishing depositors at SVB without regard to the knock-on effects of failure to pay workers or vendors. Stick it to 'em.

    But the chance for an average saver to get a safe return of 5-6% on their money will raise Maggie Thatcher from the dead, legitimize neocolonial revanchism, bring back the Cold War order, destroy unions that no longer exist, and, wait for it, throw people out of work.



  • This article goes into more detail than I have seen elsewhere about the politics of the 2018 changes in the banking regs that allowed SVB to escape regulation, and how easily the startups etc could have protected their funds. It also implies that SVB prevented them from using multiple other banks ( with InfraSweep).

    https://prospect.org/economy/2023-03-13-silicon-valley-bank-bailout-deregulation/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email


    We still dont know how many of these accounts were really “ small businesses”. Roku apparently had half a billion dollars on deposit without any protection

    Why should we bail out Roku?
  • edited March 2023
    @WABAC
    But the chance for an average saver to get a safe return of 5-6% on their money will raise Maggie Thatcher from the dead, legitimize neocolonial revanchism, bring back the Cold War order, destroy unions that no longer exist, and, wait for it, throw people out of work.
    Never said any of that, merely pointed out as the article did that the Volcker cure for inflation wasn't all that, and had definite negative consequences. Nor can it be said that only one group of people wants lower rates. Most poor people in the U.S. have little to no savings to collect interest on, and actually have more variable-rate credit card debt that increases their burden as rates rise:https://bankrate.com/banking/savings/emergency-savings-report/#over-1-in-3
    Over a third (36 percent) of people have more credit card debt than emergency savings, the highest percentage in 12 years of Bankrate asking this survey question. In comparison, 22 percent of people had more credit card debt in January 2022, while 28 percent of people had more credit card debt in January 2020, before COVID-19 began to affect the U.S.
    Ultimately, rate cuts are economically stimulative while raising rates constricts. There needs to be consideration on both sides of the consequences. And you yourself by acknowledging labor has little power today compared to the 1970s have pointed out the reason we shouldn't perhaps be too fixated on raising rates too high.

    Given the choice, I would rather see targeted fiscal stimulus than monetary stimulus to help the specific areas of our economy that are struggling via government programs, and tax hikes to constrict things when we get overstimulated. But there are obvious political roadblocks to fiscal stimulus. Interest rates are a blunt instrument that helps and hurts multiple parties.

    As for SVB, I am fine with making all depositors whole just so long as the rich people getting bailed out stop complaining about the "moral hazard" of helping poor people. Moreover, the capital standards from Dodd Frank need to be restored and SVB should be nationalized, and the government collect all future profits to give back to taxpayers.
  • Last week (On Axios, not MFO) a person claimed retirees love inflation.
    Not so much, if you are on a fixed (non-governmental) pension.
    Perhaps he was thinking about Social Security increases? I don't know about you, but after the amount Medicare increases, there's not a lot left over.
    It's those folks with fixed-rate mortgages that should love inflation.
    (I find Axios informative on "facts," but annoying on their interpretation.)
  • Let's review the previous FDIC system -
    Your individual account was insured up to $250,000.
    Your spouse's individual account was insured up to $250,000.
    Your joint account was insured up to $500,000.
    Seriously, how many couples are keeping $1MM in cash?
    The banks pay for this insurance coverage, which means we all pay in some way.
    If all deposts are going to be insured, clearly banks will be charged more for the increased coverage.
    I suggest banks should recover these extra costs by charging corporate accounts a fee on the basis of average balance, and perhaps a risk premium.
  • Technically, the unlimited deposit coverage seemingly applies only to the 2 failed banks that are government-run. Ironically, SVB Bank is now advertising that it has the strongest deposit coverage in the US, so that the deposits that fled may return.

    Be careful extending any of this to other US banks. Use deposit titling and distribution tricks available.

    Businesses may use the commercial IntraFi network for auto-distribution of large deposits (NOT a free service). https://www.intrafi.com/solutions/depositors/

    How ironic that the European banks were supposed to be in trouble and some are just near the edge of insolvency. BUT instead, 3 US banks were closed in 4 days, and now SVB Bank is #2 bank failure in the US history, and Signature Bank #3.
  • "I suggest banks should recover these extra costs by charging corporate accounts a fee on the basis of average balance, and perhaps a risk premium."

    @WhollyTerriers: Exactly right. Those accounts should be offered a "not insured/no-charge/you're on your own" option or an "insured/insurance-charge/you're covered" option.

    This isn't rocket science. And to minimize potential losses for insured accounts, the banks could forward those larger insured amounts to the FDIC, who in turn could redeploy them in smaller amounts across a large number of banks to minimize the exposure to stupid banking management.
  • Well worth a read!
  • Finally a good financial reason to live here ( in MA).

    Also worth noting you do not pay state income tax on interest from a MA bank. But my local bank only pays 1% on their MM account, and next to nothing on savings
  • edited March 2023
  • Yes, it was.
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