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Fido Double Secret Probation

I received a letter from Fidelity letting me know that recent activity in my account is under review. As such, the account is not permitted to open or withdraw any positions. (Thankfully, this isn’t my main brokerage account.)

When I called Fido’s Premium Service line (since we no longer have an account rep assigned to our accounts), I was told that the activity was being reviewed by the super secret Account Management team and they would let me know when their review was completed. The rep couldn’t get them to reveal why my account was under review (though I believe I know why and could easily explain and document the transactions at issue if asked) and I could neither speak to them nor could they tell me how long the review would take. In other words, “Don’t call us, we’ll call you.”

Has anyone encountered this with Fido before and how long did it take them to review and resolve the issue?
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  • All I ever get is an offer for credit cards.

    They did make me jump through some hoops to buy DIVO for my IRA.
  • Interesting that the OP has some idea and the a/c is frozen until the internal investigation is complete. It could be a trade violation or something else.

    Banks are worse. There are many reports on social-media that banks (including big banks) are suddenly closing personal and business accounts for what they think are suspicious activities but they don't provide any explanations or advance warning. Some customers had those a/c for years. But one day, their accounts are locked or closed with balance sent by check within a few days. When people go to branches, the personal bankers try to look up the a/c in question, but then say that sorry, they cannot disclose anything. If one relies on one bank a/c, this may become a huge problem.
  • @yogibearbull

    Just to clarify (without going into too much detail), there was no trade at issue and the “suspect” activity took place over six weeks before they put the account under review.
  • edited March 16
    MrRuffles said:

    @yogibearbull

    Just to clarify (without going into too much detail), there was no trade at issue and the “suspect” activity took place over six weeks before they put the account under review.

    Typical, but enough to make one LIVID. Skeleton staffing, that's no doubt why 6 weeks went by before they saw whatever it is they saw. And they won't tell YOU what they uncovered, whether it was anything truly untoward or not.

    I presented my passport to a badged TSA employee once, going through the crapola security line to get to my plane. She said she'd not ever seen this before, and consulted her bosses. When I came through the other side, I asked her bosses what the issue was. They refused to say.

    That kinda stuff just makes me wish I had a pile of hand grenades in my possession. They'd be deployed before you could take a breath.
  • SAVE FERRIS!
  • edited March 16
    "When I came through the other side, I asked her bosses what the issue was. They refused to say."

    Work culture is very different from when you started work. These days there is no such a thing as incompetence or shame of customers knowing the job better than the person presumably providing the service and it is the customers' job to train every first line customer service person. This accelerated starting with Covid. Just get used to it.

    I am looking forward to doing more things online without customer service interactions.
  • edited March 16
    BaluBalu said:

    "When I came through the other side, I asked her bosses what the issue was. They refused to say."

    Work culture is very different from when you started work. These days there is no such a thing as incompetence or shame of customers knowing the job better than the person presumably providing the service and it is the customers' job to train every first line customer service person. This accelerated starting with Covid. Just get used to it.

    I am looking forward to doing more things online without customer service interactions.

    Thanks for that explanation. I believe you're right. There's an entirely different frame around reality now. No such thing as shame, or GENUINE interactions. Yes, just try to get a straight answer to a straight question over the phone, eh? Call Center drones. They know nothing, and are not expected to know anything. In a word, SHAMELESS.

    Accountability? What's THAT? Go ask Boeing. LOL.
  • edited March 16
    These days I determine in the first minute whether I want to speak with the supervisor or someone more knowledgeable and request for it politely. If the person does not cooperate, I drop the call and dial back again. I understand it is not always possible e.g., TSA line. I have become very alert to companies wasting my time. I refuse to train their personnel. You are never retired!

    Just to be clear, I love the call center people outside the US. They are eager and willing to work. I always finish a call with them with the same level of satisfaction as talking to US customer service a decade ago or before. With the bloated US executive pay and comp stats publicly known, every first level US employee thinks they just need to bide their time (rest and vest!) and become an executive. This is a silent cultural war currently going on, leading to a very entitled US work culture. Does not help that you do not need SATs to get into colleges, can take pass-fail courses to graduate, and student loans can be forgiven. Interestingly, decades ago when you travelled outside the US, you saw a difference in the service level vs in the US, especially in third world countries. These days the service level in the US is third class and that outside the US is far superior.
  • My experiences with Call Centers contradict that, though. Regardless of location, there is no such thing as getting a satisfactory outcome. Then they send you an email, wanting you to rate the call. And there's no way to even SAY anything. It's just a 1-5 star "rating." And how much does that communicate to anyone??? Might make someone FEEL good..... Feces.
  • I dont think it is the employee's fault as I suspect they are rushed through training and put to work ASAP

    although I have to say there are some strange things going on at Fidelity.

    My wife and I moved a small (LT 10%) of her account to Schwab to make it easier to gift our kids some stock.

    We got five daily phone calls from a fidelity rep wanting to know why.
  • Wonder what led to this situation if you can share with the board ? We never had experience remotely close to yours.

    Only we get are credit card offers with 20% interest and cold calls form their financial consultants who want to do business with us.
  • Sven said:

    Wonder what led to this situation if you can share with the board ? We never had experience remotely close to yours.

    Only we get are credit card offers with 20% interest and cold calls form their financial consultants who want to do business with us.

    In spite of the junk I've experienced, it sounds like I ought to feel lucky that I went to Schwab rather than Fido...?
  • sma3 said:

    I dont think it is the employee's fault as I suspect they are rushed through training and put to work ASAP

    although I have to say there are some strange things going on at Fidelity.

    My wife and I moved a small (LT 10%) of her account to Schwab to make it easier to gift our kids some stock.

    We got five daily phone calls from a fidelity rep wanting to know why.

    Well that struck a chord. About a dozen years ago, I moved a small (LT 10%) annuity from Fidelity. And I got a call from my rep at Fidelity (back when Fidelity assigned reps), who harangued me for about 15 minutes before putting a specialist on the phone. All in all, about an hour with them telling me why the Fidelity product was so much better than where I was moving to, how they could stop the transfer before it was complete if I okay'd that.

    Something else about this call. As a rule I don't use a cell phone. (I have one, pay $10/year to keep the line active, but rarely turn it on; the flip phone makes a great pocket watch.) I don't give out my number because people just leave messages that I don't hear for months.

    Somehow Fidelity got that number, and rather than call me on my preferred home number, they called the cell phone. I was on a business trip to California (which is why my phone was on). So I wound up on a one hour call with Fidelity at 6:30 AM, being remarkably coherent in explaining why their particular offering didn't best meet my needs.

    Reps get paid in part by AUM of their customers; this is scaled by how lucrative each dollar is - more for an annuity. They also get paid for retaining assets. So my transfer out must have hit the rep's pocketbook hard.
  • "My experiences with Call Centers contradict that, though. Regardless of location, there is no such thing as getting a satisfactory outcome."

    @Crash: let me be very emphatic about this: because my hearing is extremely compromised I cannot deal with phone conversation. In multiple dealings with Schwab's "chat" I have found their representatives to be consistently well-informed, polite, and very willing to be helpful in any way possible. This has been true whether the call center has been in Texas or any other U.S. location. In fact in some cases I would say that it's been easier to work with their on-line chat than it is with the local branch.

    If anyone is under the impression that I'm a pushover, I assure you that that couldn't be further from the actuality. I do not tolerate fools. Trying to deal on-line with Amazon or AT&T is equivalent to a new circle in Dante's Inferno. Schwab is just fine. Let me be very blunt: if you cannot interface easily using Schwab "chat" then perhaps you should consider the possibility that the problem is not entirely on their end.
  • The Patriot Act and Financial Institutions.
    A long list of choices and information for the ACT. Perhaps there is a perceived violation that is outside of Fidelity's control.

    @Crash . Please provide real information regarding under staffing at Fidelity. Thank you.
  • @crash, I have had experience with a number of large brokerages. They have their ‘pros’ and ‘cons’ as our needs evolve over time. In recent years we consolidated to a few; some were our former 401(k) administrators and we get assess to unique planning tools. Fidelity meets majority of ours needs. While many posters are Schwab customers, but our needs may be quite different. So I will leave it at that. At least I am glad you move on from T. Rowe Price.
  • This is turning into one of those avocado-toast threads.

    I find that phone service depends on who I'm calling. Some is just fine, if you understand they have certain scripts they have to go through first--depending on your problem. Some is better than fine. Some really sucks.

    Number 1 child works at the library. She has some real fun stories about older people "requesting" support. ;)

  • One must always ask the proper question(s) to expect the proper answer. A major starting point.
  • "My experiences with Call Centers contradict that, though. Regardless of location, there is no such thing as getting a satisfactory outcome."
    I'm talking about everything else EXCEPT Schwab.
  • catch22 said:

    One must always ask the proper question(s) to expect the proper answer. A major starting point.

    Mostly true, if you're dealing with humans.

    But I have read the same reports about banks that Yogi mentions above.
  • catch22 said:

    One must always ask the proper question(s) to expect the proper answer. A major starting point.

    I take that to mean that one must be able to read the minds of the ones whom one is depending upon for answers.

    Communication used to be easier, it seems to me. Information was forthcoming. No more. I've dealt with stinky, rude bags of pus on the other end of the line: "Ask me a question and I'll answer it."

    Naw, how 'bout I just reach through the phone and tear you a new one, instead? B***h.
  • Crash said:

    catch22 said:

    One must always ask the proper question(s) to expect the proper answer. A major starting point.

    Naw, how 'bout I just reach through the phone and tear you a new one, instead? B***h.
    You're flipping out.

    People in that condition are hard to help.
  • edited March 16
    WABAC said:

    Crash said:

    catch22 said:

    One must always ask the proper question(s) to expect the proper answer. A major starting point.

    Naw, how 'bout I just reach through the phone and tear you a new one, instead? B***h.
    You're flipping out.

    People in that condition are hard to help.
    After dealing with their own utter inability to help for 20 minutes; after repeated attempts to rephrase and reframe the question; after putting up with their own rudeness once their internal frustration switch is flipped, and they treat you like an enemy.....
    Everything comes together--- by design--- to make the customer they're supposed to be assisting get annoyed, frustrated and angry; then they get surprised and offended, when it happens. Come a little closer and I'll just tear you a new one.

    I'm with BaluBalu:
    Work culture is very different from when you started work. These days there is no such a thing as incompetence or shame of customers knowing the job better than the person presumably providing the service and it is the customers' job to train every first line customer service person. This accelerated starting with Covid....

    ...I am looking forward to doing more things online without customer service interactions.

  • My dad used to warn me about breathing a scab on my nose. Took me a while to figure out what he was saying.
    Come a little closer and I'll just tear you a new one.
    Tough talk cowboy.

    And you wonder why you can't get good service?

    I am glad there is armed security at the library Number 1 child works at. There are some crazy old people out there. They aren't all homeless. And some of them sound like you.
  • BaluBalu said:



    Work culture is very different from when you started work. These days there is no such a thing as incompetence or shame of customers knowing the job better than the person presumably providing the service and it is the customers' job to train every first line customer service person. This accelerated starting with Covid. Just get used to it.

    Work culture has changed as many Boomers have risen to lofty heights, left behind the egalitarian principles of their youth, and have solidified their identity as the Me generation.

    To quote Pogo, “We have met the enemy and he is us.”

    In the C-Suite’s relentless quest to boost earnings and please investors, one of the first things that gets cut is proper training and adequate pay for front-line employees. They are seen as fungible commodities that have little impact on the bottom line. Hence, the rise in off-shoring these positions to third-parties.
  • I second @Old_Joe's opinion about Schwab chat. I have not used other brokerages' chat (and have not checked if they have one) but I started using Schwab chat because once I wanted to have a written record of the communication and I was pleasantly surprised the results were better via the chat. For example, I could request and get a supervisor more easily on the chat and may be because everything is in writing, the answers are more definite & less B.S. (does not mean accurate) and result oriented. Something I could not get done via three phone calls got done after one chat.

    I think it is a misunderstanding to think executives are driven by a goal to increase investor wealth. Here is one ugly truth - some of the people I worked with during my 40s talked quite often about their aspiration to become board members of public companies when they retired (of course, they all wanted to become CEOs but there is a supply constraint for those jobs). For many CEOs stock of the company they used to run does not make up significant part (5%?) of their portfolio a year after they retire from the company.

    I hope I am not coming across as having a gripe about anything or anyone. I think it is good to acknowledge the lay of the land and adjust our methods to stay nimble and effortless. No use complaining about the weather - learn to dress or modify behavior appropriately to minimize impact / maximize output.
  • edited March 17
    WABAC said:

    My dad used to warn me about breathing a scab on my nose. Took me a while to figure out what he was saying.

    Come a little closer and I'll just tear you a new one.
    Tough talk cowboy.

    And you wonder why you can't get good service?

    I am glad there is armed security at the library Number 1 child works at. There are some crazy old people out there. They aren't all homeless. And some of them sound like you.
    LOL. I suggest you make a trip to the library and learn what HYPERBOLE means, cowboy. I'm surrounded by snowflakes.

    Too many in here, I see, have a tendency to take way too much literally. You actually think I say what I'm thinking in that vein OUT LOUD? What I sadly find often works BEST is to talk to the phone agents condescendingly, and the condescension does not even register with them. The insult is LOST on them. They just think I'm being NICE. More's the pity.

    It's their bosses, who hire them and equip them with zero knowledge about anything and zero authority to ACCOMPLISH anything, who need me to come and tear them a few new ones.
  • edited March 17
    Whatever, @Crash. To a certain extent each of us constructs the world that we then are required to live in. Some make things easier for themselves than others.
  • OP, if you really don't know why your account is frozen, and they refuse to tell you, maybe try the following:

    a. Attempt to "open or withdraw" a position.
    b. When Fido blocks your attempt, go to www.consumerfinance.gov and open a complaint on them. -- Sick the Feds on them.

  • This thread has gone in many directions.

    Some points I would like to make.

    Banks, TSA (and some others) have secrecy by the law. They aren't supposed to tell you the details. It may seem unfair, but don't blame the Reps.

    Just ask Warren Buffett when he was visited by the FBI a few years ago when he made several cash withdrawals around $10K (not even pocket change for him?) from his local bank - his folksy explanation was that his wife only liked cash (not cards or checks), while the FBI wanted to make sure that he wasn't being blackmailed. Or, the late Senator Ted Kennedy whose name was on TSA no-fly list for some reason while he himself may not have been the target - he even mentioned his airport TSA experiences in frustration in a Senate speech and asked the President to do something about it.

    I have good experiences with chats too, except some robo-chats. In one instance, I thought that robo-chat would transfer to a human-chat, but it didn't. So, I responded, that the issue was beyond a robo-chatter, and he/she/it replied, sorry that I felt that way and wished me a good day.
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