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The PCE(personal consumption expenditures) price index + Atlanta's Fed Q2 estimated GDP

The personal consumption expenditures price index, the Federal Reserve’s key inflation measure, increased just 0.1% for the month, putting the annual inflation rate at 2.1%. It went down from 2.6% on Dec 24 to 2.1%. This is a four-year low.

The Atlanta Fed GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the second quarter of 2025 is 4.6 percent on June 2, up from 3.8 percent on May 30.

mmm...not bad.
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  • Does the Atlanta Fed have an opinion as well on the value of the government services that are being wantonly destroyed to offset tax breaks for the super-wealthy?

    Some know the price of everything, and the value of nothing.
  • Again, Joe, there is nothing political in my post, just 2 numbers.
    Why are you bringing your politics to every post I made?
  • edited June 4
    As if you aren't indirectly boasting about carefully selected aspects of the present financial/political situation. Who do you think that you're fooling?

    What about the cost to millions of relatively poor Americans that it took to get those numbers?
    Let's talk about the entire picture.
  • FD1000 said:

    Again, Joe, there is nothing political in my post, just 2 numbers.
    Why are you bringing your politics to every post I made?

    Perhaps because politics has affected the quality of the numbers you are taking as gospel.
    https://mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/64060/economists-raise-questions-about-quality-of-u-s-inflation-data


  • despite january polls showing the gop expected inflation under trump to be 0%, there is a reason that (obviously retrospective) reports of inflation and recession (partly self-correcting) are disingenuous.
    because the economic commitment was to bring DOWN prices by a lot for cars, houses, energy, eggs, etc...
    the only way i see this promise kept is with major long duration recession and unemployment. if the fed has to cuts rates, this may prevent trump from touting low prices.

    "When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on day one. We will drill, baby, drill. That’s going to bring down prices of everything!" ~Donald Trump
    "When I take office, I will swiftly reduce prices starting from day one." ~Donald Trump

    The reality...
    "Walmart and Target workers are sharing pics of price increases amid Trump’s trade war."
    "I've been doing price change everyday for the past four months or so, and seeing everything going up all at once is really making me sad," said a Target worker in late May. "I just feel terrible putting all these ridiculously high prices up."
  • edited June 5
    Short-term / near-term data like this isn’t very helpful. I won’t fault FD for citing it because all of us mention short-term or near-term numbers from time to time, sometimes even noting day-to-day or month-to-month changes in stock averages (guilty as charged).

    Inflation going down? Tell that to bond traders or the gold market. While the latter trades a lot on emotion and is very erratic, the trend can’t be mistaken. In both cases (bonds & metals) the trend signals higher, not lower, inflation.

    5 years ago investors in the 10-year U.S. Treasury bond were demanding a rate of 0.60% to buy. Now, they’re demanding around 4.40%. That reflects what they think they need to earn from a “risk-free” (not really) investment to keep up with inflation over the next decade. Gold’s gone crazy. Over 5 years it’s risen from $1900 to $3400. And the FX is telling a similar story with a recent fall in the dollar. On this one, the numbers are too recent to define a trend - but my guess is there is an emerging longer-term trend (ominous for inflation).

    I’d planned to cite some other commodities, but realized many were so distorted by the Covid period (like oil which got down to under $14) that they’re not worth citing. I won’t play politics. Neither side has an A+ on fighting inflation. And the issue is much more entrenched and complicated than what any one administration can solve. That’s not to argue the present one hasn’t made mistakes.

    Are we discussing inflation from an investment perspective (longer-term outlook and how to invest to stay ahead?) or from a political perspective (Has Trump caused more or less inflation than Biden?) The second doesn’t much help me. But the first is very helpful to understanding what funds / assets to own and which ones to avoid.


    From a 5-10 year investment perspective - with persistent or higher inflation


    Cash? It’s OK. Rates should roughly approximate inflation over time.

    Ultra-Short bond funds? Thumbs-up

    Longer-dated bonds? Thumbs-down

    1-3 year high quality bonds? Even-Steven. Probably OK. I own a slug of NEAR

    Junk bonds? Dunno. Don’t play in that park. I’d say to buy them when no one wants them.

    TIPS? Yes - With the qualification that they’re best directly held (not jerked around by fund flows). Randall Forsyth has a column in this week’s Barrons highly favorable. Read it.

    Cash + bond alternatives (like CVSIX, GDL, LPXAX)? Decent. Worth consideration.

    Precious metals? No way at my age. Pretty to look at. But too volatile & risky.

    Commodities / “real asset” funds? Yes. But only in moderation. Very cyclical.

    “Systematic” multi-asset approaches? - Worth holding as a diversifier. I own BAMBX.

    Equities? Depends which ones. I like broadly diversified / balanced funds with an international tilt.

    RPSIX? You have to be kidding. Look at its 10-year performance - and with a healthy slug of equities.
  • "Gold’s gone crazy. Over 5 years it’s risen from $1900 to $3400."

    Hmmm, wonder if rono is selling any here.
  • edited June 5
    Mark said:

    "Gold’s gone crazy. Over 5 years it’s risen from $1900 to $3400.”
    Hmmm wonder if rono is selling any here.

    rono’s pretty smart. I’d imagine he’s already fled the country with his bounty before the government decides to confiscate all bullion and issue owners some form of “digital gold” instead.
  • edited June 5
    msf said:

    FD1000 said:

    Again, Joe, there is nothing political in my post, just 2 numbers.
    Why are you bringing your politics to every post I made?

    Perhaps because politics has affected the quality of the numbers you are taking as gospel.
    https://mutualfundobserver.com/discuss/discussion/64060/economists-raise-questions-about-quality-of-u-s-inflation-data

    Any time economists worry or predict the future, you can ignore it because they are as accurate as the weather guys.
    Pretty much expected. It's another preemptive attempt in the future to claim that good data is wrong.
  • @hank said: "Inflation going down? Tell that to bond traders or the gold market."
    ... and Walmart.
  • I kind of wonder what is in the water supply in Atlanta after reading coverage of the latest Beige Book from the Fed. Dinky linky.
    According to the report, nine of the 12 Fed districts reported contraction in economic activity or no change in growth. The remaining districts saw slight growth.

    Business contacts across the country said consumers were not spending and described labor markets as “flat.”

    Summing things up, the report said that “all districts reported elevated levels of economic and policy uncertainty, which has led to hesitancy and a cautious approach to business and household decisions.”
    Reading the report from Atlanta, well, draw your own conclusions about the value of GDPNow.:YADL.


  • Shouldn't that be "YADL Y'ALL" ?
  • Old_Joe said:

    Shouldn't that be "YADL Y'ALL" ?

    All y'all being the proper plural form of y'all: Yet anther dinky linky all y'all YADLAY.
  • Old_Joe said:

    @hank said: "Inflation going down? Tell that to bond traders or the gold market."
    ... and Walmart.

    We all know real inflation; the whole country witnessed it a couple of years ago. It was the highest inflation in 4 decades.
  • Here is data for the month of May’s inflation data.
    Consumer prices in May were up 2.4% from a year ago, according to a report Wednesday from the Labor Department. That's a slightly larger annual increase than the month before.

    But prices rose just 0.1% between April and May — down from 0.2% the month before. Falling gasoline prices helped to offset the rising cost of rent and groceries.

    Trump's tariffs may have contributed to the rising price of some goods in May, such as appliances and toys. But overall goods prices held steady last month. Forecasters expect the cost of tariffs to become more evident in the months to come.
    https://npr.org/2025/06/11/nx-s1-5429597/inflation-tariffs-cpi-economy
  • edited June 11
    NPR the unbiased source? How about the WSJ (link).

    "Inflation was tame in May, defying fears that the impact of President Trump’s tariffs would start to show a rise in prices.

    Consumer prices rose 0.1% in May over the previous month, less than economists anticipated. Year-over-year inflation was 2.4%, in line with expectations and near a four-year low recorded in April. "
  • edited June 11
    I would be careful about trumpeting the May CPI report.
    The impact of Trump's tariffs may not be reflected in CPI data for several months.
    The following quote is from the WSJ article you linked above.

    “'We’ve been assuming the bulk of increases from tariffs wouldn’t really start to show up until summer,'
    Pingle said. 'Just because we haven’t seen it yet doesn’t mean we won’t see it eventually.
    This doesn’t mean we’re out of the woods yet.'”
  • When did the WSJ become an unbiased source of information? They've been pro-conservative in their musings for as long as I can remember.

    And as long as we're here when did NPR become biased? They'll slam anybody if they've got it coming.
  • edited June 11
    I've found WSJ articles regarding business, investing, and the economy to mostly avoid political bias.
    The same definitely can not be said for their opinion pieces and editorials!
  • I would be careful about trumpeting the May CPI report.
    The impact of Trump's tariffs may not be reflected in CPI data for several months.
    The following quote is from the WSJ article you linked above.

    “'We’ve been assuming the bulk of increases from tariffs wouldn’t really start to show up until summer,' Pingle said. 'Just because we haven’t seen it yet doesn’t mean we won’t see it eventually.

    This doesn’t mean we’re out of the woods yet.'”

    And there you have it. It becomes "political" when one only posts the selective information that serves their purpose, ignoring the data when it turns against them.

    The notion that a 10% across the board tariff on $3.3 trillion in imports will not act to either cut margins or raise prices or both is ludicrous.



  • Mark said:

    When did the WSJ become an unbiased source of information? They've been pro-conservative in their musings for as long as I can remember.

    And as long as we're here when did NPR become biased? They'll slam anybody if they've got it coming.

    And when WSJ releases information that goes against the grain with conservatives, it is brushed off. Trump called WSJ a "rotten newspaper". And has flipped out at WSJ reporters for asking tough questions. Trump feels he should control all narratives, in a Putin-like fashion.

    The WSJ has also spoken out about Trump's tariff war. We should just ignore that maybe, and focus on the parts that support a simplistic narrative.

  • edited June 11
    Inflation is probably still reacting to the FEDs rate policy as well. And adjusting to supply-chain issues. It takes time. I might add that if inflation is not an issue, and jobs reports look good, why the hell is Trump insisting that Powell lower rates?

    Would anyone like to address that question? Or is it a "nasty" question? Should I be deported for asking it? Or be "investigated"?
  • edited June 11
    You want inflation info from the Wall Street Journal?? OK- here's this:

    The Canned-Food Aisle Is Getting Squeezed by Rising Steel Tariffs
    Key Points-
    • New Trump administration tariffs on imported steel may cause canned goods to become more expensive for consumers.

    • The Consumer Brands Association warns that 20,000 U.S. jobs in food could be at risk if the tariff on tin-plate drives consumers away from canned goods.
    Steel used in cans is mostly imported—and subject to the Trump administration’s new 50% levy. Edited excerpts from the Wall Street Journal report:
    Cans used for food require tin-coated, ultrathin sheet steel made from molten iron. Not much is produced in the U.S., where domestic producers have been scaling back production for years.

    The Trump administration’s new 50% duty on imported steel could increase store prices for items in steel cans by 9% to 15%, according to the Consumer Brands Association, a trade group. Tariffs are likely to drive up prices for domestic-made steel, too, as U.S. producers raise their own prices.

    Can manufacturers say they will continue to buy lots of imported tin-coated steel, known as tin-plate—because there isn’t enough of it made in the U.S. to supply them. “I would love nothing more than to allocate more purchases to the United States, but the overall production capacity is not there,” said Robert Gatz, general manager of Can Corp. of America, a Pennsylvania-based maker of food cans.

    Tin-plate is made with steel derived from molten iron, but most steel in the U.S. is now made from melted scrap, and that doesn’t measure up to the can industry’s exacting quality standards. Cans are prized for enabling long shelf lives for vegetables, fruit and other ready-to-eat foods, able to keep for years without spoiling. But can manufacturers worry that higher can costs will discourage their use.

    The Consumer Brands Association said as many as 20,000 U.S. jobs in food-can manufacturing could be at risk if the tariff on tin-plate causes consumers to shy away from higher-priced canned goods and food companies migrate to alternative packaging.

    Free link to the Wall Street Journal report-

    Comment: Yet another well-thought-through brute-force Trump dictum. But then, he doesn't do much grocery shopping himself, does he?
  • edited June 11
    @Old_Joe

    The steel tariffs impact to canned goods was not something that I previously pondered.
    Sadly, some people have a tin ear when factual data contradicts their chosen narrative.
  • edited June 11
    Let's not listen to the people who run retail and logistics businesses, who say that job losses and higher prices are yet to come.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/11/trumps-done-deal-with-china-trade-supply-chain-damage-will-remain.html

    Let's live in a fantasy where 55% tariffs on the $440 billion we import from China is a big nothing burger. That's a $242 billion dollar tax on American businesses and consumers.

    "The CEO of the nation’s largest bank, JPMorgan, warned about again on in comments at an industry conference, with Jamie Dimon saying “I think there’s a chance real numbers will deteriorate soon,” at a Morgan Stanley event on Tuesday"
  • edited June 11

    @Old_Joe

    The impact of steel tariffs to canned goods was not something that I previously pondered.
    Sadly, some people have a tin ear when factual data contradicts their chosen narrative.

    Not to worry, MAGA workers and their children will flock to staff the new tin can factories we build. They will be great again, living out their dreams.
  • FD1000 said:

    NPR the unbiased source? How about the WSJ (link).

    "Inflation was tame in May, defying fears that the impact of President Trump’s tariffs would start to show a rise in prices.

    Consumer prices rose 0.1% in May over the previous month, less than economists anticipated. Year-over-year inflation was 2.4%, in line with expectations and near a four-year low recorded in April. "

    Anyone can choose to frame and phrase event-descriptions however they like. Are you trying to tell this rather educated crowd in here that the WSJ--- known to offer a clearly conservative penchant--- is unbiased? I can't fart loud enough in response.
  • When the general numbers don't work, try to find anything else.
    We have seen many posts about eggs over $5, they went down to under $3, and where do you find it? in the mice letters on page 50.
    wait, let's mention tariffs in every thread, no matter what.

    Read the OP "The personal consumption expenditures price index, the Federal Reserve’s key inflation measure, increased just 0.1% for the month, putting the annual inflation rate at 2.1%. It went down from 2.6% on Dec 24 to 2.1%. This is a four-year low."
    It doesn't matter how you spin it; these numbers are pretty good.

    There are always warnings and worries; the ones who write them love for you to click and how they get paid. Let's discuss actual numbers.

    Sure, nothing is guaranteed in the future, but why not admit it's good?

  • edited June 11
    @FD1000 dissemble, deny, deflect, redirect, prevaricate.
    Yes, the numbers are good, for the moment. Don't tell me the WSJ is unbiased.

    >>>>NPR the unbiased source? How about the WSJ (link).
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